Cap Badges

fred · 01-28-2004, 02:34 PM

Can you hep me Gentlemen.

I have three cap badges one is a two piece normal cap badge. When did they stop making two piece and please what are the other two badges. Maybe one is for railway troops. What is big badge.

and If maybe one other question when did 6 sided shoulder rank boards replace 5 sided.

Thank you

Fred

Taz · 01-28-2004, 04:21 PM

Fred,
The large pin on the right looks like an Oktoberists/Pioneer so called Ultimate Star Pin.
Here is what looks like a later pin version.

The middle Badge is a Cap-badge of the USSR PCMC.
Which was introduced in 1932 simultaneously with the introduction of the first Soviet uniform for railwaymen.

Eddie

otlichnik · 01-29-2004, 03:21 AM

Fred,

Nice hat badges.

I am pretty sure that the one on the right is an earlier Militsia (police) cap badge and not an Oktobrists star. It is definitely a hat badge.

The two piece ones remained in use but for officer hats. They are rarer than the one piece.

I have never been able to find out the exact decree or instruction which changed the shoulder boards from 5 sided to 6 sided but all anecdotal evidence points to 1947.

Shawn

Taz · 01-29-2004, 08:48 AM

Shawn,

Sorry, I meant Badge not pin for the right hand one.

The Soviet Emblem is certainly the same in all Militia cap Badges I,ve seen but one thing bothers me, and that is that all Militia Badges that I have found are of the Cockade type/style I haven,t actually seen a Star type Militia Badge with the Soviet Emblem in the middle, could you post a pic if you have one please.
The picture of the pin I posted was the closest resembleance I found to Freds Cap badge in the form of a Star.

Eddie.

otlichnik · 01-30-2004, 04:12 AM

The star with coat-of-arms in the middle was the official militsia cap badge (for most hats) from 1935 to 1950. However, the number of ribbons on the coat-of-arms varied from 6 in 1935, 10 around 1940 or so to 15 in 1947. The badge on the right is a nice rare 1940s (WWII era) militsia cap badge!

Shawn

Taz · 01-30-2004, 04:32 AM

Shawn,
Thanks, thats put my mind to rest.
So Freds got a nice set of Badges there and quite rare too.

Taz · 01-31-2004, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otlichnik

The star with coat-of-arms in the middle was the official militsia cap badge (for most hats) from 1935 to 1950. However, the number of ribbons on the coat-of-arms varied from 6 in 1935, 10 around 1940 or so to 15 in 1947. The badge on the right is a nice rare 1940s (WWII era) militsia cap badge!

Shawn

Hi Shawn,
In 1936-1946 the soviet state emblem had 11 ribbons (without estonian, latvian, lithuanian and moldavian)
In 1946-1956 - 16 ribbons (15 + karelian-finnish)
since 1956 - 15 ribbons.

Eddie.

Nack · 09-27-2005, 12:43 PM

I went and measured by cap badges and they are indeed 36 mm across.

Just for clarification, what "winter cloth helmet" are we talking about--the "budenny" or "shlem" hat? Or are we talking about the ushanka (which I realize is more fur than cloth)?

Thanks as always.

RichieC · 07-23-2007, 10:53 AM

Models (pattern) of 1922

RichieC · 07-23-2007, 11:04 AM

Model (pattern) of 1936

1 - 38MM - Senior Officers

2 - 34MM - Officers & EM

3 - 24MM - for the Pilotka; all ranks

However, I have seen original photographs of all three of these mixed & matched and in use on all different types of cloth headgear of the period. So, I assume that placement of the word "intended" before the three classifications would be more befitting.

01-29-2004, 08:48 AM	#4
Taz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Herford, Germany Age: 65 Posts: 2,152	Militia Cap Badge Shawn, Sorry, I meant Badge not pin for the right hand one. The Soviet Emblem is certainly the same in all Militia cap Badges I,ve seen but one thing bothers me, and that is that all Militia Badges that I have found are of the Cockade type/style I haven,t actually seen a Star type Militia Badge with the Soviet Emblem in the middle, could you post a pic if you have one please. The picture of the pin I posted was the closest resembleance I found to Freds Cap badge in the form of a Star. Eddie. __________________ Everybody's equal, But some more than others! "Those who come to us with the sword - will be killed by the sword" - Alexander Nevski

01-30-2004, 04:32 AM	#6
Taz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Herford, Germany Age: 65 Posts: 2,152	Shawn, Thanks, thats put my mind to rest. So Freds got a nice set of Badges there and quite rare too. __________________ Everybody's equal, But some more than others! "Those who come to us with the sword - will be killed by the sword" - Alexander Nevski

01-29-2004, 03:21 AM	#3
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	Fred, Nice hat badges. I am pretty sure that the one on the right is an earlier Militsia (police) cap badge and not an Oktobrists star. It is definitely a hat badge. The two piece ones remained in use but for officer hats. They are rarer than the one piece. I have never been able to find out the exact decree or instruction which changed the shoulder boards from 5 sided to 6 sided but all anecdotal evidence points to 1947. Shawn

01-30-2004, 04:12 AM	#5
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	The star with coat-of-arms in the middle was the official militsia cap badge (for most hats) from 1935 to 1950. However, the number of ribbons on the coat-of-arms varied from 6 in 1935, 10 around 1940 or so to 15 in 1947. The badge on the right is a nice rare 1940s (WWII era) militsia cap badge! Shawn

09-27-2005, 12:43 PM	#8
Nack Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Buckeye State Age: 46 Posts: 513	I went and measured by cap badges and they are indeed 36 mm across. Just for clarification, what "winter cloth helmet" are we talking about--the "budenny" or "shlem" hat? Or are we talking about the ushanka (which I realize is more fur than cloth)? Thanks as always.

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