Fake Badges "Excellent Workers' And Peasants' Red Army".

[HuliganRS]

This one should be sold as a reproduction.

Rusty.

[buellbum]

Originally Posted by Nota Bene

Gentlemen,

Found this one on our favourite auction site. Looks like the same fake I have pictured above.

Alexei

I bought one of these identified as"current production,struck on origional dies". I'm a novice at collecting, but it suited my purpose at the time. I've
since become more discriminating in my buying (thanks to this forum), but
may still purchase a reproduction occasionally.

[Alfred]

Hello,

what do you think about this Excellent RKKA Serviceman badge from the 40´s.

best regards and thanks
Andreas

[marsino]

It would seem good, even if the incision seems to be very fresh.
Perhaps it is better to wait the opinion of Marc...

[desantnik]

These were typically not numbered. I definitely don't like #1 and #2 is at least in the style of the day, but no telling whether original or not in light of these badges not being officially numbered at the mint.

[Alfred]

In my oppinion the badge in post 2 is good.

There are 4 different badges of this type.
1. - reverse flatback with number (see post 1 and 2)
2. - reverse flatback without number
3. - counter-relief reverse with number
4. - counter-relief reverse without number

In total around ~ 149.000 pieces were made by Leningrad mint.

Paul, are you sure that these badges were not numbered by the mint?
Are they numbered by the military units who gave them out?

As the writing style of these badges is always the same I think they were numbered by mint personel.

best regards
Andreas

[desantnik]

Originally Posted by Alfred

In my oppinion the badge in post 2 is good.

There are 4 different badges of this type.
1. - reverse flatback with number (see post 1 and 2)
2. - reverse flatback without number
3. - counter-relief reverse with number
4. - counter-relief reverse without number

In total around ~ 149.000 pieces were made by Leningrad mint.

Paul, are you sure that these badges were not numbered by the mint?
Are they numbered by the military units who gave them out?

As the writing style of these badges is always the same I think they were numbered by mint personel.

Gentlemen, I don't think anyone can speak conclusively about what happened in the mint 70 years ago since we weren't mint employees.

I do not see the two number styles in #1 and #2 as the "same" - badges, yes, numbering no.

Since there are unnumbered badges, a reverse (counter-relief) that did not readily permit numbering, and a comparitively small issue of pieces (140K) I've drawn the conclusion, that the numbering, even if "offiically" done, was not done at the mint.

[Lapa]

Guys,

Although not my cup of tea, I tend to like both of these badges. The early versions were indeed numbered in the style shown.

There is (used to be?) a site dedicated to all the variations of this badge (in Russian), but I can't find it at this time (Andreas, there are many more variations than the 4 you mention...). I'll post the link when I find it.

Marc

[Alfred]

Originally Posted by Lapa

Guys,

Although not my cup of tea, I tend to like both of these badges. The early versions were indeed numbered in the style shown.

There is (used to be?) a site dedicated to all the variations of this badge (in Russian), but I can't find it at this time (Andreas, there are many more variations than the 4 you mention...). I'll post the link when I find it.

Marc

Marc,

do you mean this webside: ww.znakisssr.h15.ru (Sniper_RKKA collection)
It is deleted for a longer time.

He mentioned 5 different variations. 2 different counter-relief reverse without number.

best regards
Andreas

[Kiev41]

Hi,
In each type of badge, there are different variations.
The numbering of the badge No. 20031 seems consistent. For the second badge, No. 25043, should have a photo of the face.
I noticed that over the years is that we meet more and more Excellent RKKA Serviceman badge with a number .....
When looking at the documents for awarding this badge, it is not said that the number of degree, is the badge number.
Regards.
Philippe