Fake Orders of the Red Star

rocketscientist · 01-19-2013, 10:07 AM

Arrived this week. Personally, I like it. Nevertheless, it has some feature I'd never seen before (like the protruding screwpost). Could you please have a look and let me know your opinions?

Grazie
ciao
sergio

Bill Garvy · 01-19-2013, 10:45 AM

I have mixed feelings about this Red Star for a number of reasons. Red Stars in this series, or at least the ones I have seen, have a curved up mint mark. I expected to see the screw-post set in a recess on the reverse, or no recess at all. I don't particularly like the style of the engraving of the serial number. I am posting some examples in fairly close proximity, both before and after, to this serial number to highlight these characteristics, variations, and for comparison. These are just my personal observations. Please, for your sake, I hope someone makes a liar out of me. . .

rocketscientist · 01-19-2013, 11:09 AM

I don't think anyone will make a liar out of you, what you say is quite convincing, unfortunately. :banghead
Thanks

Bill Garvy · 01-27-2013, 11:33 AM

Gasp at the horror!

Bill Garvy · 03-01-2013, 10:49 AM

And another, ostensibly by the same hand. . .

USSR · 03-03-2013, 12:20 PM

I know, picture is bad and I asked the seller for better ones. But is there something to say about this RS yet?

This doesn't look very promising... Especially not since I got the picture of the front...

Lapa · 03-03-2013, 12:56 PM

USSR,

As is, it has a cast feeling.

Marc

rocketscientist · 03-03-2013, 02:24 PM

These photos are just horrible, possibly done with a cheap mobile phone's camera.
In all cases, I would pass this one.

cheers
sergio

Tommy · 03-03-2013, 02:37 PM

the surface of the "enamel" is definitley not right, it looks like some sort of plastic resin.
The writing on the medallion is also wrong for this Serial# Range. The tip of the bayonet should be in line with the centre of the "O" not in line with the back of the "E".

The bayonet in line with the "E" is concurrent with later types (produced circa 1952 onwards, looking at Soviet Screwbacks dates of production).

Perhaps it was an early piece which had all the enamel knocked off and someone has replaced the Medallion with one from a later piece and tried to re-enamel it?

Perhaps its just all fake.

I'd definitley say it's not "right"

Bill Garvy · 03-03-2013, 03:35 PM

It's one of the current reproductions being offered on our favorite auction site, ahem. I recognize the serial number.

01-19-2013, 11:09 AM	#3
rocketscientist Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 66	Re: Fake Orders of the Red Star I don't think anyone will make a liar out of you, what you say is quite convincing, unfortunately. :banghead Thanks Last edited by rocketscientist; 01-19-2013 at 12:48 PM.

03-03-2013, 12:56 PM	#7
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Fake Orders of the Red Star USSR, As is, it has a cast feeling. Marc

03-03-2013, 02:24 PM	#8
rocketscientist Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 66	Re: Fake Orders of the Red Star These photos are just horrible, possibly done with a cheap mobile phone's camera. In all cases, I would pass this one. cheers sergio

03-03-2013, 02:37 PM	#9
Tommy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Beside the Shankly Gates Age: 37 Posts: 826	Re: Fake Orders of the Red Star the surface of the "enamel" is definitley not right, it looks like some sort of plastic resin. The writing on the medallion is also wrong for this Serial# Range. The tip of the bayonet should be in line with the centre of the "O" not in line with the back of the "E". The bayonet in line with the "E" is concurrent with later types (produced circa 1952 onwards, looking at Soviet Screwbacks dates of production). Perhaps it was an early piece which had all the enamel knocked off and someone has replaced the Medallion with one from a later piece and tried to re-enamel it? Perhaps its just all fake. I'd definitley say it's not "right" Last edited by Tommy; 03-03-2013 at 02:40 PM.

03-03-2013, 03:35 PM	#10
Bill Garvy Comrade Curmudgeon Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,642	Re: Fake Orders of the Red Star *It's one of the current reproductions being offered on our favorite auction site, ahem. I recognize the serial number.*

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