Badge "Troops Of The Country Anti-Aircraft Defence".

Chris · 03-22-2003, 02:01 PM

This is an Air Army badge.

Well made two piece construction.

Not sure of its manufacture date.

It is made of tombak, gilded and silvered

Its quite a large badge 30 x 35 approx

Would luv to know if it is a Pakazuha badge or was awarded for something

Cheers Chris

Chris

otlichnik · 03-24-2003, 05:00 AM

The badge is not for the "Air Army".

It is for the air defence forces. There were two levels of air defence forces (PVO - protivo-vozdushnoi oborony) in the USSR. PVO-Voiska were air defence of the troops and were part of the artillery (and signals for their radar) branches of the Ground Forces arm of service.

PVO-Strany, which this badge is for, was a separate arm of service responsible for air defence of the nation. It had fighter interceptors, long-range anti-aircraft missiles (SA-2,-3,-4,-5,-10, etc) and long-range radar. On the badge you can see a Sukhoi interceptor, and AA missile and a radar antennae.

The badge was for distinuished service in the PVO-strany arm and was awaded for 15 years service to officers (and maybe warrants).

They are great quality badges and one of my favourite.

Shawn

Chris · 03-24-2003, 05:39 AM

I'll have to give my girlfiend a hard time for not knowing her own forces..heheh

Thanks for enlightening me, It looks great and I knew it had to me some thing a bit special

Chris

charlet · 03-24-2003, 07:03 AM

hello gentlemen,
I have one exemplar of this nice badge, identical to the first showed here, same construction, screwplate mint marked, badge too, excellent manufacture. But the medium blue enamel here is green on mine...do you know this variation?
I don't think I've a fake, the construction is really excellent.
Sorry no pics for argument..

sebastien

otlichnik · 03-25-2003, 03:04 AM

I have never heard of a variation??

Staining or damage? Reaction to some sort of cleaner??

Shawn

charlet · 03-25-2003, 08:08 AM

Hi sahwn, although I cannnot send any pic (sigh...) herer're some infos:
lenght: 28.55mm
high left side: 28.1
high right side: 30.1
lenght from missile nose up to su-7 tail: 42.52mm

seems some tombac gold plated, all enamels look good under u/V, red enamel for kremilin wall, right side of the radar antenna blue, all green , no trace of degradation, screwplate marked leningradskii monetnii dvor, and round stamp of the LMD on the back of the badge, a little cm six o'clock under the screwbase. Plane Su7 and missiles fitted by two pins.
very nice stuff.
bought in a paris shop specialized in WW1 and WW2, sells 90% of soviet fakes (it's my "school of fakes", you can see all PMD fakes !!! ) but few common badges all OK...

vikingraider1 · 03-25-2003, 08:13 AM

it is funny you should say that, I have a para instructor badge that is green instread of blue. I originally thought it may have been DOSAAF or something but it could also be some sort of reaction. I will post a copy of it up soon.

charlet · 03-25-2003, 08:15 AM

scrutying your scan, the proportions are identical, same placement of the plane and missiles; on mine the red is a bit more "carmin", the enamels are more translucid, you see better the "grain" of the metal underlying. My gold-plating is not as beautifful than yours, the old deep gold 50's-style, mine is clearer, but very well done.
that's all! maybe a later variation? (I saw your type for sale in a new-yorker known dealer, and in Bekesi's book vol.1)

clebercalado · 05-08-2006, 04:27 PM

Hello Guys

I bought this badge and want some extra informations !

PVO - Air Defence Troops
Circa 70s - 80s ?
Some tell that´s for 15 years of service some tell air defence troops comander ?

Regards from Brazil !

Cleber

ericlida · 05-09-2006, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clebercalado

Hello Guys

I bought this badge and want some extra informations !

PVO - Air Defence Troops
Circa 70s - 80s ?
Some tell that´s for 15 years of service some tell air defence troops comander ?

Regards from Brazil !

Cleber

Cleber,
I think it's not a badge. It's just a regular pin. Check, is there a price on the reverse of the pin?
Eric

03-24-2003, 05:39 AM	#3
Chris Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 188	Thanks again I'll have to give my girlfiend a hard time for not knowing her own forces..heheh Thanks for enlightening me, It looks great and I knew it had to me some thing a bit special Chris

03-24-2003, 07:03 AM	#4
charlet Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 791	hello gentlemen, I have one exemplar of this nice badge, identical to the first showed here, same construction, screwplate mint marked, badge too, excellent manufacture. But the medium blue enamel here is green on mine...do you know this variation? I don't think I've a fake, the construction is really excellent. Sorry no pics for argument.. sebastien __________________ Sebastien "a spectre haunts Europe, the spectre of communism" (a well-known german bearbed)

03-25-2003, 08:08 AM	#6
charlet Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 791	Hi sahwn, although I cannnot send any pic (sigh...) herer're some infos: lenght: 28.55mm high left side: 28.1 high right side: 30.1 lenght from missile nose up to su-7 tail: 42.52mm seems some tombac gold plated, all enamels look good under u/V, red enamel for kremilin wall, right side of the radar antenna blue, all green , no trace of degradation, screwplate marked leningradskii monetnii dvor, and round stamp of the LMD on the back of the badge, a little cm six o'clock under the screwbase. Plane Su7 and missiles fitted by two pins. very nice stuff. bought in a paris shop specialized in WW1 and WW2, sells 90% of soviet fakes (it's my "school of fakes", you can see all PMD fakes !!! ) but few common badges all OK... __________________ Sebastien "a spectre haunts Europe, the spectre of communism" (a well-known german bearbed)

03-25-2003, 08:15 AM	#8
charlet Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 791	scrutying your scan, the proportions are identical, same placement of the plane and missiles; on mine the red is a bit more "carmin", the enamels are more translucid, you see better the "grain" of the metal underlying. My gold-plating is not as beautifful than yours, the old deep gold 50's-style, mine is clearer, but very well done. that's all! maybe a later variation? (I saw your type for sale in a new-yorker known dealer, and in Bekesi's book vol.1) __________________ Sebastien "a spectre haunts Europe, the spectre of communism" (a well-known german bearbed)

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03-24-2003, 05:00 AM	#2
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	The badge is not for the "Air Army". It is for the air defence forces. There were two levels of air defence forces (PVO - protivo-vozdushnoi oborony) in the USSR. PVO-Voiska were air defence of the troops and were part of the artillery (and signals for their radar) branches of the Ground Forces arm of service. PVO-Strany, which this badge is for, was a separate arm of service responsible for air defence of the nation. It had fighter interceptors, long-range anti-aircraft missiles (SA-2,-3,-4,-5,-10, etc) and long-range radar. On the badge you can see a Sukhoi interceptor, and AA missile and a radar antennae. The badge was for distinuished service in the PVO-strany arm and was awaded for 15 years service to officers (and maybe warrants). They are great quality badges and one of my favourite. Shawn

03-25-2003, 03:04 AM	#5
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	I have never heard of a variation?? Staining or damage? Reaction to some sort of cleaner?? Shawn

03-25-2003, 08:13 AM	#7
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	it is funny you should say that, I have a para instructor badge that is green instread of blue. I originally thought it may have been DOSAAF or something but it could also be some sort of reaction. I will post a copy of it up soon.

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