Exporting Of Items. - Page 13

Dave · 08-20-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LavricCat

If it's illegal,-how items from our Collections had got here?

Anyone who has gotten awards confiscated in Russian customs before can tell you that it's illegal to take them out of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and a few other former SU republics. There have been quite a few posts about this over the years. Your collection comes from awards that have been taken legitimately out of countries that no longer hold them as "national treasures" and those that have been illegally smuggled out of Russia.

Welcome to the world of trading in illegal goods!

Dave

ericlida · 08-20-2007, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LavricCat

If it's illegal,-how items from our Collections had got here?

Illegaly...

Stepanovich · 08-20-2007, 06:00 PM

So Dave...Where does that put those of us who buy and sell through the mail within the USA (all of us)?

Dave · 08-20-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stepanovich

So Dave...Where does that put those of us who buy and sell through the mail within the USA (all of us)?

Right where you're sitting right now.

Stepanovich · 08-20-2007, 06:06 PM

I guess that put those of us sitting here in the US buying and selling goods through the mail which are considered by some to be stolen.

(Sorry Dave, I know you've gone over all this before ad infinitum, and are probably tired of it by now)

ericlida · 08-20-2007, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stepanovich

So Dave...Where does that put those of us who buy and sell through the mail within the USA (all of us)?

It is illegal in Russia, but not in the US or other countires.
As for me, I sleep at night

Eric

medals73 · 08-20-2007, 06:10 PM

Unless they enlist Interpol into the game, as has been done before.

Esteban_cool · 08-20-2007, 08:08 PM

To me it´s both a shame and painful that once again we chileans become known for such actions like this. And unfortunately they´re not a minority inside our nation.
Always the same thing.

HuliganRS · 08-22-2007, 09:42 AM

Story from: Foreigner Held Over Soviet Medals

A Chilean student has been detained in Voronezh for more than two months after customs officials found old currency and several Soviet medals she bought from a street vendor.

Roxana Contreras, 29, faces up to seven years in prison, her supporters say. She "acquired U.S.S.R. state honors illegally" and attempted to export them, Voronezh court documents say.

Supporters say Contreras, a physics graduate student from the University of Missouri-St. Louis, was visiting friends in Voronezh and probably did not realize she was doing anything wrong when she bought the items for $66 and tried to take them on a flight from Voronezh to Munich in mid-June. Customs officials found World War II military medals, old silver coins, and three early 20th-century bank notes, the Regnum news agency reported Tuesday.

"They were being sold by a street vendor, so she had no idea they were not supposed to be taken out of the country," said Sonya Bahar, the director of the Center for Neurodynamics at the University of Missouri-St. Louis.

U.S. Representative Todd Akin, who represents Missouri in Congress, has written to Russian Ambassador Yury Ushakov inquiring about the case.

Russia's right to protect its national heritage is "undeniable," he wrote. "There are many at the university who vouch for the integrity of Ms. Contreras and who are convinced that this incident is the result of an unfortunate error. It is my understanding that in similar cases contraband is rightfully confiscated, but that individuals are usually detained only for grave offenses."

In a follow-up letter, Akin wrote that the ambassador's office told him by telephone that Contreras had been released. Her supporters said authorities were still detaining her while she waited for a court date, however.

Phone calls to the Russian Embassy in Washington went unanswered.

A woman who picked up the phone at the Chilean Embassy in Moscow said no one was available for comment Tuesday.

Prosecutors in the Voronezh district where Contreras faces trial declined to comment.

Attempts were also made to reach Contreras.

Bahar has asked university officials, academics and politicians to vouch for Contreras' character, but she fears the outside support may have unintended consequences.

"Whatever we seem to be doing to try and help seems to be making it worse," she said.

Contreras has hired a lawyer and rented an apartment. Russian officials have been reluctant to keep renewing Contreras' visa, but a judge there refused to write a letter explaining the situation to help, her supporters said. They are concerned she will be in further violation of the law if her visa expires.

Contreras, who previously studied in Russia, is trying to improve her language skills and bought a guitar to pass time.

"Some days she's all right," Bahar said. "Other days she's just devastated."

Contreras' boyfriend, Fred Scherrer, 41, of St. Louis, said, "She has been put on, we would call it, city arrest."

He said officials wanted to be able to reach her at all times.

He thinks the items may have been intended as a gift for him, but said neither he nor his girlfriend collected medals or currency.

"We don't understand it from an American point of view. Why would they detain a traveler for two months?"

AP, MT

EricFG · 08-22-2007, 10:22 AM

Wow. Two months in the can and counting......for $66 worth of stuff?

08-20-2007, 08:08 PM	#8
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 36 Posts: 1,103	To me it´s both a shame and painful that once again we chileans become known for such actions like this. And unfortunately they´re not a minority inside our nation. Always the same thing. __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won't get fooled again

08-22-2007, 09:42 AM	#9
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	Foreigner Held Over Soviet Medals Story from: Foreigner Held Over Soviet Medals A Chilean student has been detained in Voronezh for more than two months after customs officials found old currency and several Soviet medals she bought from a street vendor. Roxana Contreras, 29, faces up to seven years in prison, her supporters say. She "acquired U.S.S.R. state honors illegally" and attempted to export them, Voronezh court documents say. Supporters say Contreras, a physics graduate student from the University of Missouri-St. Louis, was visiting friends in Voronezh and probably did not realize she was doing anything wrong when she bought the items for $66 and tried to take them on a flight from Voronezh to Munich in mid-June. Customs officials found World War II military medals, old silver coins, and three early 20th-century bank notes, the Regnum news agency reported Tuesday. "They were being sold by a street vendor, so she had no idea they were not supposed to be taken out of the country," said Sonya Bahar, the director of the Center for Neurodynamics at the University of Missouri-St. Louis. U.S. Representative Todd Akin, who represents Missouri in Congress, has written to Russian Ambassador Yury Ushakov inquiring about the case. Russia's right to protect its national heritage is "undeniable," he wrote. "There are many at the university who vouch for the integrity of Ms. Contreras and who are convinced that this incident is the result of an unfortunate error. It is my understanding that in similar cases contraband is rightfully confiscated, but that individuals are usually detained only for grave offenses." In a follow-up letter, Akin wrote that the ambassador's office told him by telephone that Contreras had been released. Her supporters said authorities were still detaining her while she waited for a court date, however. Phone calls to the Russian Embassy in Washington went unanswered. A woman who picked up the phone at the Chilean Embassy in Moscow said no one was available for comment Tuesday. Prosecutors in the Voronezh district where Contreras faces trial declined to comment. Attempts were also made to reach Contreras. Bahar has asked university officials, academics and politicians to vouch for Contreras' character, but she fears the outside support may have unintended consequences. "Whatever we seem to be doing to try and help seems to be making it worse," she said. Contreras has hired a lawyer and rented an apartment. Russian officials have been reluctant to keep renewing Contreras' visa, but a judge there refused to write a letter explaining the situation to help, her supporters said. They are concerned she will be in further violation of the law if her visa expires. Contreras, who previously studied in Russia, is trying to improve her language skills and bought a guitar to pass time. "Some days she's all right," Bahar said. "Other days she's just devastated." Contreras' boyfriend, Fred Scherrer, 41, of St. Louis, said, "She has been put on, we would call it, city arrest." He said officials wanted to be able to reach her at all times. He thinks the items may have been intended as a gift for him, but said neither he nor his girlfriend collected medals or currency. "We don't understand it from an American point of view. Why would they detain a traveler for two months?" AP, MT __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

08-22-2007, 10:22 AM	#10
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Wow. Two months in the can and counting......for $66 worth of stuff? __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

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08-20-2007, 06:00 PM	#3
Stepanovich Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonita Springs, Florida Posts: 36	So Dave...Where does that put those of us who buy and sell through the mail within the USA (all of us)?

08-20-2007, 06:06 PM	#5
Stepanovich Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonita Springs, Florida Posts: 36	I guess that put those of us sitting here in the US buying and selling goods through the mail which are considered by some to be stolen. (Sorry Dave, I know you've gone over all this before ad infinitum, and are probably tired of it by now)

08-20-2007, 06:10 PM	#7
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