Fake Orders of Lenin - Page 3

deValcourt · 09-08-2012, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricFG

I'm no expert but shouldn't it have a line over the 'Й' in the mint mark?

Eric, the mark is there. It is high and partially obscured by the rivet, but it's there.:)

Phillip

Shocktrooper · 09-08-2012, 12:45 PM

Hello again,

IF the order is genuine, how much should my friend pay for it concerning the enamel damage, etc. ? I have absolutely no idea and he desperately needs help to estimate a fair price.

Jens

EricFG · 09-08-2012, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deValcourt

Eric, the mark is there. It is high and partially obscured by the rivet, but it's there.:) Phillip

Ah yes, I see it now. According to the Red Book the rivets, and the accent mark, are wildly missplaced. Maybe I'm referring with obsolete material but with what we're given I'm claiming a ten foot pole on this one (id est :thumbsdown ).

Shocktrooper · 09-09-2012, 02:13 AM

Hi,

my friend is going to ask the seller for better images. If he refuses, he will pass this one.

Jens

Lapa · 09-09-2012, 05:26 AM

Jens,

This sounds like the only sensible solution.

Marc

Tommy · 09-13-2012, 03:06 AM

*Beginners opinion/guess*

To me it looks a bit like there is a silver/grey metal surrounding the screwpost on the reverse, kind of like solder.

Also, the rivet on the bottom of the far left side seems to be in line with the "E" of the Mint Mark, whereas on all the pictures i can see of T3 V2 Lenins (the one i think this closest resembles) the rivet is not in line with the "E" (The only time it seems to line up with the "E" is on some variations of Suspension T4's

Here is some pics to explain better what i mean.

Lenin in question.JPG

Real T3 V2.jpg

I would hazard a guess at a converted suspension piece at best.

This is just my beginners opinion though, lets wait for the experts :-).

Tom

Shocktrooper · 09-15-2012, 02:23 AM

No further ideas concerning this one ? :(

Bill Garvy · 09-15-2012, 08:39 AM

No experts here, sorry, just more or less experienced collectors. . .

If I have any doubts about a piece, I pass, and I have a lot of doubts about this piece. . .

UQWozza · 09-15-2012, 10:29 PM

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole :thumbsdown :thumbsdown :thumbsdown

The scratches and loss of patina around the serial number suggest to me that it has been played around with. I also agree that it looks converted or poorly repaired at best.

Simon

***CtahhR*** · 09-16-2012, 03:02 AM

If you can get it for €10 or 20 go for it.

09-08-2012, 12:45 PM	#2
Shocktrooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 105	Re: Fake Orders of Lenin Hello again, IF the order is genuine, how much should my friend pay for it concerning the enamel damage, etc. ? I have absolutely no idea and he desperately needs help to estimate a fair price. Jens

09-09-2012, 02:13 AM	#4
Shocktrooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 105	Re: Fake Orders of Lenin Hi, my friend is going to ask the seller for better images. If he refuses, he will pass this one. Jens

09-09-2012, 05:26 AM	#5
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Fake Orders of Lenin Jens, This sounds like the only sensible solution. Marc

09-13-2012, 03:06 AM	#6
Tommy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Beside the Shankly Gates Age: 36 Posts: 826	Re: Fake Orders of Lenin Beginners opinion/guess To me it looks a bit like there is a silver/grey metal surrounding the screwpost on the reverse, kind of like solder. Also, the rivet on the bottom of the far left side seems to be in line with the "E" of the Mint Mark, whereas on all the pictures i can see of T3 V2 Lenins (the one i think this closest resembles) the rivet is not in line with the "E" (The only time it seems to line up with the "E" is on some variations of Suspension T4's Here is some pics to explain better what i mean. Lenin in question.JPG Real T3 V2.jpg I would hazard a guess at a converted suspension piece at best. This is just my beginners opinion though, lets wait for the experts :-). Tom

09-15-2012, 02:23 AM	#7
Shocktrooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 105	Re: Fake Orders of Lenin No further ideas concerning this one ? :(

09-15-2012, 08:39 AM	#8
Bill Garvy Comrade Curmudgeon Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,642	Re: Fake Orders of Lenin No experts here, sorry, just more or less experienced collectors. . . If I have any doubts about a piece, I pass, and I have a lot of doubts about this piece. . .

09-15-2012, 10:29 PM	#9
UQWozza Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 62 Posts: 432	Re: Fake Orders of Lenin I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole :thumbsdown :thumbsdown :thumbsdown The scratches and loss of patina around the serial number suggest to me that it has been played around with. I also agree that it looks converted or poorly repaired at best. Simon

09-16-2012, 03:02 AM	#10
*CtahhR* Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Deep In The Archives. Age: 17 Posts: 12,074	Re: Fake Orders of Lenin If you can get it for €10 or 20 go for it. __________________ "Signed with his own rubber stamp"

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