Wierd Mvd service cap up for your opinion

Ser-g · 04-22-2008, 07:05 AM

Hi folk's

this is the second of the 2 i got in today.
This cap is harder it apears to be a MVD VV Officer Service cap.
but the wierd thing is that the button's say 69.

I doubt between 2 options now.
1. it is a prived ordered one.
2. it is a down graded general cap (some seller put rongly buttons on it and cocarde) the thing with that is that the button's are stitched on.

I would really like your educated opinion's (guesses) on these 2.
Since i'm just a collector for 2 years and a bit of a novice it certainly find this mvd kinda hard.

kind regards ser-g

Tretov · 04-22-2008, 08:43 AM

The year "69" states that the buttons were made that year, the cap may be produced in the years after. The inside shows wear, right?

Ser-g · 04-22-2008, 09:08 AM

it shows a hole lot of wear indeed,

so much that the visor has come lose a bit on one site (2-3 cm).
i still have to restore that.

Lapa · 04-22-2008, 11:09 AM

Serg,

Are there any markings on it at all?

From the look of it, it could be a M69 General's service cap, but we need to check a few more things to be sure.

Marc

Ser-g · 04-22-2008, 11:26 AM

there are no markings that are known to me.

there is some thing on the inside of the liner wat looks like a bleu circel with a mark inside (looks a bit like ballpen made).
too fage for a picture, but i tried.

the sweat diamond looks as if it ever had something pure white on it (maybe a lettering or so).

the liner is greasy are if it was rubbed in with some kinda grease (posibly vasiline).

kind regards ser-g

Ser-g · 04-24-2008, 11:46 AM

Any new ideers anyone?

i'm still wondering what it is?

DougD · 04-24-2008, 12:43 PM

Serg,

I would not 'overthink' this cap; to me it's simply a nice quality MVD officers cap. The liner is a very nice quality for an officer, but I do not think unheard of. It's a good cold war era cap!

DougD

Ser-g · 04-24-2008, 12:58 PM

but was is comon for a normal officer (say under rank of general) to have this kinda upgraded liner and visor.
or was it a prived pushase ?
and what kinda date would you hang on it ?

that is more or less the question that i'm troubling with

DougD · 04-24-2008, 01:11 PM

Who knows where or why it was made the way it was...was the officer a full colonel who wanted the nicer quality cap than that for a captain or major? Never really know, but i think its fine.

Dating is tough...button dates only mean that the buttons were made that year...these buttons are 1969, so the hat could be anywhere past that really...1970's? I am not sure we can be more exact than that.

DougD

Ser-g · 04-24-2008, 01:28 PM

thanks for all your help ,, and time ,,

04-24-2008, 12:43 PM	#7
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 51 Posts: 2,060	MVD cap Serg, I would not 'overthink' this cap; to me it's simply a nice quality MVD officers cap. The liner is a very nice quality for an officer, but I do not think unheard of. It's a good cold war era cap! DougD

04-24-2008, 01:11 PM	#9
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 51 Posts: 2,060	Mvd Who knows where or why it was made the way it was...was the officer a full colonel who wanted the nicer quality cap than that for a captain or major? Never really know, but i think its fine. Dating is tough...button dates only mean that the buttons were made that year...these buttons are 1969, so the hat could be anywhere past that really...1970's? I am not sure we can be more exact than that. DougD

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04-22-2008, 08:43 AM	#2
Tretov Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Republic of Finland Posts: 1,129	The year "69" states that the buttons were made that year, the cap may be produced in the years after. The inside shows wear, right?

04-22-2008, 09:08 AM	#3
Ser-g Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Haarlem The Netherlands Age: 38 Posts: 374	it shows a hole lot of wear indeed, so much that the visor has come lose a bit on one site (2-3 cm). i still have to restore that.

04-22-2008, 11:09 AM	#4
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Serg, Are there any markings on it at all? From the look of it, it could be a M69 General's service cap, but we need to check a few more things to be sure. Marc

04-24-2008, 11:46 AM	#6
Ser-g Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Haarlem The Netherlands Age: 38 Posts: 374	Any new ideers anyone? i'm still wondering what it is?

04-24-2008, 12:58 PM	#8
Ser-g Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Haarlem The Netherlands Age: 38 Posts: 374	but was is comon for a normal officer (say under rank of general) to have this kinda upgraded liner and visor. or was it a prived pushase ? and what kinda date would you hang on it ? that is more or less the question that i'm troubling with

04-24-2008, 01:28 PM	#10
Ser-g Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Haarlem The Netherlands Age: 38 Posts: 374	thanks for all your help ,, and time ,,

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