Damaged, Repair, Clean, Preserve Soviet Awards And Documents. - Page 9

kameli · 11-12-2002, 03:48 PM

Hi,

my opinion is that don´t clean it. The patina belongs in the old badge. So I think it is better to leave as is.

Jussi-Pekka

paddywhack · 11-15-2002, 06:41 PM

a few days ago i bought a red star with a s/n just a tiny bit over 81000 which was in very good nick BUT it has been cleaned and all that history is gone!

so how can i age it up or will the tarnish come back after a while?ALSO can any one tell me around when this would have been made and issued?by the way was 50 euros to much to pay? its just normaly the s/n are well over a million over here so i snapped it up!!! a realy nice piece though!

thanks for any help you can give me!!

Ed_Haynes · 11-16-2002, 06:27 AM

This is the problem with almost ANY cleaning other that bushing off the grime with a damp childrens' toothbrush: it is irreversible. A lesson learned?

Ed Haynes

paddywhack · 11-20-2002, 08:58 AM

so the tarnish isnt going to come back at all?
wel either way its a nice red star and it was loved by the origanal vet!!

(oh and by me!)

***Art*** · 11-21-2002, 05:04 PM

It will come back..how fast is determined by environmental factors. Essentially the patina on silver is oxidized metal. A chemical reaction between the metal and oxygen. Acids from your skin, and salt in the air will quickly change the color, however only time will give silver a real good patina. You might know what I'm talking about if you've ever seen a piece of polished silver, then after it's been handled and sat around a few days it will darken rather quickly and in blotches. However if you look at an old silver piece that has oxidized over a long period of time, the color is warm and even. Takes a long time for that to "grow".

Art

paddywhack · 11-22-2002, 08:38 PM

yeah i have another red star which is around the same s/n and it is very very VERY tarnished which is cool cos i have a very very clean one and realy dirty one now

cheers art and ed!

Esteban_cool · 01-11-2003, 07:35 PM

It´s not to say "Oh, what a pity, my order of Glory is horrible, NO!"
As Generalissimus Art said, the condition is part of its history.
I would like to have an order of Glory like yours, even in a worse condition.....
(At my 15 years I´m just starting, Ok?)

paddywhack · 01-13-2003, 08:52 AM

i to have a glory 3rd in that kinda condition as well as red banners and combat valour/bravery and thers no WAY id change the ribbions as it is part of the medals history!! in fact i prefer having used dirty ribbions a sit gives a sense how much the medal was used maybe even in combat who knows!!!

DougD · 01-13-2003, 06:16 PM

I have a soviet paratrooper qualification badge and sports award both dug up in Stalingrad. I picked them up there in 2002. I have been there twice and they have loads of dug stuff, but i have never seen a dug medal or order.

DougD

makov25 · 01-13-2003, 10:39 PM

Look at this site.
http://klad.hobby.ru/english.htm
Glenn

View Poll Results: Repair or not
Leave the damn thing alone! Don't mess with what looks like a period repair	12	54.55%
Have the solder removed to make the serial number readable	9	40.91%
Repair the enamel only	0	0%
Remove the solder AND repair the enamel	1	4.55%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

11-12-2002, 03:48 PM	#81
kameli Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 193	do not clean Hi, my opinion is that don´t clean it. The patina belongs in the old badge. So I think it is better to leave as is. Jussi-Pekka

11-15-2002, 06:41 PM	#82
paddywhack Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: dublin ireland Age: 42 Posts: 66	speaking of cleaning! a few days ago i bought a red star with a s/n just a tiny bit over 81000 which was in very good nick BUT it has been cleaned and all that history is gone! so how can i age it up or will the tarnish come back after a while?ALSO can any one tell me around when this would have been made and issued?by the way was 50 euros to much to pay? its just normaly the s/n are well over a million over here so i snapped it up!!! a realy nice piece though! thanks for any help you can give me!! __________________ "Right ok so apart from the roads,education,sanition, medicine,the wine,the aquaducts, irragation, the public baths,a fresh water system and public order, what have the romans ever done for us?"........ reg from life of brian.

11-20-2002, 08:58 AM	#84
paddywhack Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: dublin ireland Age: 42 Posts: 66	so the tarnish isnt going to come back at all? wel either way its a nice red star and it was loved by the origanal vet!! (oh and by me!) __________________ "Right ok so apart from the roads,education,sanition, medicine,the wine,the aquaducts, irragation, the public baths,a fresh water system and public order, what have the romans ever done for us?"........ reg from life of brian.

11-21-2002, 05:04 PM	#85
*Art* Forum Founder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffalo NY Age: 58 Posts: 1,646	It will come back..how fast is determined by environmental factors. Essentially the patina on silver is oxidized metal. A chemical reaction between the metal and oxygen. Acids from your skin, and salt in the air will quickly change the color, however only time will give silver a real good patina. You might know what I'm talking about if you've ever seen a piece of polished silver, then after it's been handled and sat around a few days it will darken rather quickly and in blotches. However if you look at an old silver piece that has oxidized over a long period of time, the color is warm and even. Takes a long time for that to "grow". Art __________________ Visit the main site to the forum: The Soviet Military Awards Page Want to sell awards on the forum? Please read the FAQ Important Links: Forum announcements and rules \| Image posting FAQ

11-16-2002, 06:27 AM	#83
Ed_Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth, USA, SC Posts: 123	This is the problem with almost ANY cleaning other that bushing off the grime with a damp childrens' toothbrush: it is irreversible. A lesson learned? Ed Haynes

11-22-2002, 08:38 PM	#86
paddywhack Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: dublin ireland Age: 42 Posts: 66	yeah i have another red star which is around the same s/n and it is very very VERY tarnished which is cool cos i have a very very clean one and realy dirty one now cheers art and ed! __________________ "Right ok so apart from the roads,education,sanition, medicine,the wine,the aquaducts, irragation, the public baths,a fresh water system and public order, what have the romans ever done for us?"........ reg from life of brian.

01-11-2003, 07:35 PM	#87
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 36 Posts: 1,103	Don´t exaggerate It´s not to say "Oh, what a pity, my order of Glory is horrible, NO!" As Generalissimus Art said, the condition is part of its history. I would like to have an order of Glory like yours, even in a worse condition..... (At my 15 years I´m just starting, Ok?) __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won't get fooled again

01-13-2003, 08:52 AM	#88
paddywhack Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: dublin ireland Age: 42 Posts: 66	i to have a glory 3rd in that kinda condition as well as red banners and combat valour/bravery and thers no WAY id change the ribbions as it is part of the medals history!! in fact i prefer having used dirty ribbions a sit gives a sense how much the medal was used maybe even in combat who knows!!! __________________ "Right ok so apart from the roads,education,sanition, medicine,the wine,the aquaducts, irragation, the public baths,a fresh water system and public order, what have the romans ever done for us?"........ reg from life of brian.

01-13-2003, 06:16 PM	#89
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	I have a soviet paratrooper qualification badge and sports award both dug up in Stalingrad. I picked them up there in 2002. I have been there twice and they have loads of dug stuff, but i have never seen a dug medal or order. DougD

01-13-2003, 10:39 PM	#90
makov25 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: LYONS IL Age: 54 Posts: 21	Look at this site. http://klad.hobby.ru/english.htm Glenn

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