Fake Badge to Hero of January Uprising - Page 2

HuliganRS · 02-23-2005, 08:26 PM

Alexei,

Can you say what exactly you think makes this badge fake besides the enamel?

Thanks!

Rusty.

John · 02-24-2005, 10:07 AM

And why ae the documents fake, what is so obvious about them?

HuliganRS · 02-24-2005, 11:58 AM

I'm having a discussion regarding this badge with it's owner. The owner does admit that the enamel is not original!
The file is full size to preserve all details!

Alexei: What do you think?

This is what the owner of this badge provided:

http://images7.fotki.com/v157/photos...npieces-vi.jpg
http://images7.fotki.com/v158/photos...4pieces-vi.jpg

Nota Bene · 02-24-2005, 08:10 PM

Rusty,

Many thanks for a better scans, now we can talk about it.

This is what I find unusual about this badge: all figures are rather crude and not very detailed, they almost look worn, but there is no evidence of wear; smaller figures are way too scatchy; all inscriptions are huge and fat, especially on the banner, gear weel, and the "APCEHAL"; chimneys are very fat, curved, and short, and the two larger ones do not touch the star's edge; rifle, that the guy with the banner is holding, is especially bad - the barrel should not be straight, but rather resemble an ancient musket; the weel at 7 o'clock position should be a little smaller and more round; Arsenal windows were not that nice on the original badge and the roof of the building was more detailed; small dome on the Arsenal tower (near the banner) is completely missing; banner has a very weird curve above the worker's head. I can go on, but you get the idea. I am not even mentioning the patina or enamel.

Alexei

HuliganRS · 02-24-2005, 08:17 PM

Alexei,

Thank you! I think that your answer puts an end to this subject.

Rusty.

Nota Bene · 02-24-2005, 08:35 PM

Rusty,

I will see if I can find a picture of a genuine badge.

Alexei

Nota Bene · 02-27-2005, 08:22 PM

Rusty,

I have found this one in one of the dark corners of my hard drive. I have most likely found it on the Internet. The scan is too dark, but the badge looks good.

Alexei

HuliganRS · 02-27-2005, 11:40 PM

Alexei,

Thanks!

;) Rusty.

dannybou · 11-16-2005, 11:09 AM

Could I get an opinion please? Seems the stamp stops because of the border of the document. Thanks.

***desantnik*** · 11-16-2005, 11:41 AM

It looks convincing to me.

Maybe the two pages were filled out and stamped, then glued into the booklet OR the middle spine without ink became abraded over time, but it would be hard to explain the existence of stamping on either edge of the spine.

Do you have this item or are you just showing a picture? Maybe the raised middle spine is just an optical illusion and it is actually a depression?
Wierd.

02-23-2005, 08:26 PM	#11
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	Alexei, Can you say what exactly you think makes this badge fake besides the enamel? Thanks! Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

02-24-2005, 10:07 AM	#12
John New Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: now France again Age: 64 Posts: 1	fake or not And why ae the documents fake, what is so obvious about them?

02-24-2005, 11:58 AM	#13
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	I'm having a discussion regarding this badge with it's owner. The owner does admit that the enamel is not original! The file is full size to preserve all details! Alexei: What do you think? This is what the owner of this badge provided: http://images7.fotki.com/v157/photos...npieces-vi.jpg http://images7.fotki.com/v158/photos...4pieces-vi.jpg __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193 Last edited by HuliganRS; 02-24-2005 at 12:11 PM.

02-24-2005, 08:17 PM	#15
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	Alexei, Thank you! I think that your answer puts an end to this subject. Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

02-27-2005, 11:40 PM	#18
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	Alexei, Thanks! ;) Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

02-24-2005, 08:10 PM	#14
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Rusty, Many thanks for a better scans, now we can talk about it. This is what I find unusual about this badge: all figures are rather crude and not very detailed, they almost look worn, but there is no evidence of wear; smaller figures are way too scatchy; all inscriptions are huge and fat, especially on the banner, gear weel, and the "APCEHAL"; chimneys are very fat, curved, and short, and the two larger ones do not touch the star's edge; rifle, that the guy with the banner is holding, is especially bad - the barrel should not be straight, but rather resemble an ancient musket; the weel at 7 o'clock position should be a little smaller and more round; Arsenal windows were not that nice on the original badge and the roof of the building was more detailed; small dome on the Arsenal tower (near the banner) is completely missing; banner has a very weird curve above the worker's head. I can go on, but you get the idea. I am not even mentioning the patina or enamel. Alexei

02-24-2005, 08:35 PM	#16
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Rusty, I will see if I can find a picture of a genuine badge. Alexei

11-16-2005, 11:41 AM	#20
*desantnik* Forum Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eurasia Posts: 2,339	It looks convincing to me. Maybe the two pages were filled out and stamped, then glued into the booklet OR the middle spine without ink became abraded over time, but it would be hard to explain the existence of stamping on either edge of the spine. Do you have this item or are you just showing a picture? Maybe the raised middle spine is just an optical illusion and it is actually a depression? Wierd.

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