Fake Orders of Khmelnitsky

05-27-2013, 03:02 AM

Hello all

Fake or authentic ?
More pics to follow
Opinions ?

Shocktrooper · 05-27-2013, 07:31 AM

Concerning the rivets it is most likely a fake.

MarvWe · 05-27-2013, 08:02 AM

The front side raises some concerns within me. Especially the edges of the golden medaillon and the order itself do not look very nice.

05-27-2013, 09:01 AM

Here's more detailed photo of front.
Back rivets are 16mm apart.
Weight 43.16 grams without screw
Gold center 25mm

I need something more definitive guys

What's the weight specs suppose to be?

It looks very real in the real life , but so do a lot of fakes.

USSR · 05-27-2013, 10:24 AM

Hmmm... The blackside of this "Bogdan" looks suprisingly much like the "twins" in post #121... Only the serial number is off by 4... :rolleyes:

Tommy · 05-27-2013, 03:37 PM

I will say fake, judging by details on the mace, lettering and fastening on his cloak.

Hopefully Alexei will confirm or Marc will come back for a special appearance :).

Alfred · 05-28-2013, 02:43 PM

My personel oppinion is, I do not like this one.

On the right is an original one (s/n near by) to compare.

best regards
Andreas

charlet · 05-28-2013, 02:46 PM

thank you for this clear comparison... this is clearly nOT the same die (see the dots on the hammer for example). I've been told of newly created dies, with a new engraving.

no need to say "I don't like " or "IMHO". This is NOT a genuine piece because ther are too many differences which do not correspond to an indentified vesrion (see mondvor).

USSR · 10-21-2013, 07:18 AM

Any thoughts of this Bogdan 2nd class?

Nota Bene · 03-01-2014, 03:39 PM

Received in today's mail from a fellow collector. This piece is a fake. I will just mention a fantasy mint mark and a bad serial number.

Alexei

Quote:

Originally Posted by USSR

Any thoughts of this Bogdan 2nd class?

So ugly in every way! BTW, this would be the third fake with the same serial number I have seen.

Alexei

05-27-2013, 07:31 AM	#2
Shocktrooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany Age: 48 Posts: 105	Re: Fake Orders of Khmelnitsky Concerning the rivets it is most likely a fake. Last edited by Shocktrooper; 05-27-2013 at 07:41 AM.

05-27-2013, 08:02 AM	#3
MarvWe Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 82	Re: Fake Orders of Khmelnitsky The front side raises some concerns within me. Especially the edges of the golden medaillon and the order itself do not look very nice.

05-27-2013, 10:24 AM	#5
USSR Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Europe Posts: 95	Re: Fake Orders of Khmelnitsky Hmmm... The blackside of this "Bogdan" looks suprisingly much like the "twins" in post #121... Only the serial number is off by 4... :rolleyes:

05-27-2013, 03:37 PM	#6
Tommy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Beside the Shankly Gates Age: 35 Posts: 826	Re: Fake Orders of Khmelnitsky I will say fake, judging by details on the mace, lettering and fastening on his cloak. Hopefully Alexei will confirm or Marc will come back for a special appearance :).

05-28-2013, 02:46 PM	#8
charlet Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Age: 48 Posts: 790	Re: Fake Orders of Khmelnitsky thank you for this clear comparison... this is clearly nOT the same die (see the dots on the hammer for example). I've been told of newly created dies, with a new engraving. no need to say "I don't like " or "IMHO". This is NOT a genuine piece because ther are too many differences which do not correspond to an indentified vesrion (see mondvor). __________________ Sebastien "a spectre haunts Europe, the spectre of communism" (a well-known german bearbed) Last edited by charlet; 05-28-2013 at 03:39 PM.

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