help for this cap

olivyaya · 01-28-2004, 03:48 PM

Is it an officer cap or an enlisted men's one with officer insignia ????
What's the difference (apart from the insignia) between the 2 ??
Thanks for your help !!!!

Tretov · 01-28-2004, 04:53 PM

That is a 'late' issue officers hat... large insignia, golden cap band, large crown. Enlisted hats are smaller and have a plastic chinstrap.

/Patrik

olivyaya · 01-28-2004, 04:55 PM

couldn't it be an EM one with all added off insignia, cord....?

Tretov · 01-28-2004, 04:56 PM

I am not 100% sure, but it looks so "big" that I think it is OK, ie. a officers hat. The enlisted hats had a "smaller" appearance.

Tretov · 01-28-2004, 04:59 PM

Check otu this site, a lot of info on the Soviet art of cap designs =)

http://www.undertheredstar.com/

EDIT: Hmm... after checking the site, I am no longer sure myself... :confused: I have always had the impression, that the officers caps were somewhat "larger", at least during the period that the actual cap comes from...

olivyaya · 01-28-2004, 05:01 PM

I know this very good site but the EM and off "oliv-brown" caps are so close looking that I cannot make the diff. (I mean if you do not include insignia)

vikingraider1 · 01-28-2004, 07:17 PM

What you have pictured there is an Officer's service cap with the wrong cap badge. The service cap badge was the simpler oval badge with no leaves (the oval centre peice of the cap badge shown. The badge shown on the cap here is a parade cap badge worn with the wave green parade cap worn by officers.
The enlisted man's cap did indeed have a smaller crown (from 1970) and displayed the familiar red star and wreath. This also doubled up as the parade cap for enlisted men.
I wouldn't buy this cap - I would wager that it is post 1991.

...as for the crown size enlisted men's caps had smaller crowns, easily identifiable when compared with officers. Also, they were not as "raised" as officer's caps.

olivyaya · 01-29-2004, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vikingraider1

What you have pictured there is an Officer's service cap with the wrong cap badge. The service cap badge was the simpler oval badge with no leaves (the oval centre peice of the cap badge shown. The badge shown on the cap here is a parade cap badge worn with the wave green parade cap worn by officers.
The enlisted man's cap did indeed have a smaller crown (from 1970) and displayed the familiar red star and wreath. This also doubled up as the parade cap for enlisted men.
I wouldn't buy this cap - I would wager that it is post 1991.

in fact it's dated 1986 !!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by vikingraider1

...as for the crown size enlisted men's caps had smaller crowns, easily identifiable when compared with officers. Also, they were not as "raised" as officer's caps.

I am looking to buy an EM one in great condition dated 1980s (before 1989)
anyone has got one for sale ???

01-28-2004, 04:59 PM	#5
Tretov Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Republic of Finland Posts: 1,129	Check otu this site, a lot of info on the Soviet art of cap designs =) http://www.undertheredstar.com/ EDIT: Hmm... after checking the site, I am no longer sure myself... :confused: I have always had the impression, that the officers caps were somewhat "larger", at least during the period that the actual cap comes from... Last edited by Tretov; 01-28-2004 at 05:02 PM.

01-28-2004, 07:17 PM	#7
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	What you have pictured there is an Officer's service cap with the wrong cap badge. The service cap badge was the simpler oval badge with no leaves (the oval centre peice of the cap badge shown. The badge shown on the cap here is a parade cap badge worn with the wave green parade cap worn by officers. The enlisted man's cap did indeed have a smaller crown (from 1970) and displayed the familiar red star and wreath. This also doubled up as the parade cap for enlisted men. I wouldn't buy this cap - I would wager that it is post 1991. ...as for the crown size enlisted men's caps had smaller crowns, easily identifiable when compared with officers. Also, they were not as "raised" as officer's caps. __________________ "We can truly say that the whole circuit of the earth is girdled with the graves of our dead... and, in the course of my pilgrimage, I have many times asked myself whether there can be more potent advocates of peace upon earth through the years to come, than this massed multitude of silent witnesses to the desolation of war." King George V, Flanders, 1922 Last edited by CtahhR; 04-15-2014 at 12:59 PM.

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01-28-2004, 04:53 PM	#2
Tretov Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Republic of Finland Posts: 1,129	That is a 'late' issue officers hat... large insignia, golden cap band, large crown. Enlisted hats are smaller and have a plastic chinstrap. /Patrik

01-28-2004, 04:55 PM	#3
olivyaya Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 30	couldn't it be an EM one with all added off insignia, cord....?

01-28-2004, 04:56 PM	#4
Tretov Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Republic of Finland Posts: 1,129	I am not 100% sure, but it looks so "big" that I think it is OK, ie. a officers hat. The enlisted hats had a "smaller" appearance.

01-28-2004, 05:01 PM	#6
olivyaya Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 30	I know this very good site but the EM and off "oliv-brown" caps are so close looking that I cannot make the diff. (I mean if you do not include insignia)

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