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Old 04-10-2002, 02:48 PM   #1
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Dear All

Here is an interesting photo of Guards Col Galperin, Matvej Jurievich. He is wearing both an American Legion of merit and a Bronze star. Interesting for a person to receive 2 American awards. Matvej's fathers name was Udel (nice Jewish name) and he has changed it to Jurij (more Russian)

The Col was a professor of Marxism at the University of Leningrad for many years and in his CV mentions all his war time achievements and decorations but makes no mention of his American awards. However there was a nice picture of him wearing these in his file.

Does anyone know how many American awards were made to Soviet forces and under what conditions. Is there a record of these awards???? Interesting that he is proudly wearing them in the photo and there is no mention of them in his file.

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Old 04-10-2002, 09:29 PM   #2
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Wow. Interesting question and I would be interested in knowing the answer. I am not an expert on foreign awards (ie, non-Soviet & non-Russian, in this case), but I have found these pictures and thought I would post them - the veterans have foreign awards, which may or may not be American.

The person wearing the visor hat is Dmitry Kuzmich Malkov, and the other one is Ivan Ivanovich Zagriadsky.

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Old 04-22-2002, 01:44 PM   #3
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Dear Mahdi

Nice pictures. The awards look like Polish stuff to me. The cross one is a high bravery award if my memory serves me correct. Its seem that a lot of Russians received Polish or Czech stuff.

I have not seen much Romanian or Bulgerian stuff awarded to Russians but I am sure there must be.

The rarest of all is the British stuff to Russians. I have only ever seen a Military medal awardec to a HSU guy. My records show the following:

Military medals (non coms,Army) x 4 *
Distinguished service medal (non coms,Navy) x 5 *
Distinguished service cross (officers, Navy) x 4
Distinguished flying medal (non coms, Air force) x 4 *
Distingusihed flying cross (officers, Air force) x 4
No Distinguished Conduct medals or any DSO's

* means that these medals are named. They say something like SgtXXX member of Red army.

I know that the British awarded a few OBE's CBE's and CB's but it shows that very few were awarded. I suppose this accounts for the fact that so few Soviet medals were awarded to the Allied forces.

If anyone has any if these medals please let me know.

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Old 05-12-2002, 09:03 AM   #4
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Munroe-

Here is a table of what US Army awards were awarded to the Soviets during WW2:

MOH- None
DSC- 20
DSM- 20
Silver Star- 0
Legion of Merit- 242
DFC- 3 olc to DFC- 1
Soldiers Medal- 1
Bronze Star- 129
Air Medal- 0
Total Awards- 416

Of the LOM awards, they break down as follows:

Chief Commander- 1
Commander- 11
Officer- 18
Legionanaire- 88
(Though that doesn't add up to 242...)

I'll post more in a bit...

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Here's a great picture of Junior Leiutenant Ivan ******ich Zhurba, Hero of the Soviet Union (awarded 3 June 44) who was awarded the US Legion of Merit by the Military Mission to Moscow in December 44. I'm unsure of the reason the LOM was awarded, but it is interesting to note that the ribbon has been made into a tri-fold! I was offered this medal (he died in 1962, so all his other awards had been returned to the State) but his daughter (who was selling the medal) had been told that the medal was worth far more than it actually was (by about four or five times) and there was no way that I could rationalize spending that much on the medal! I did get to keep a scan of the photo... Enjoy!

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Old 05-18-2002, 08:07 AM   #7
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Dear Dave

Do you the names of the Soviets who were awarded American decorations to go with the numbers and is it possible to find out what they were awarded for?

I have the list of all Soviet medals awarded to British and commenwealth soldiers. I am working on a list of all the British medals awarded to Soviets. This will have name and London gazette details.

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Old 01-21-2003, 06:23 PM   #8
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To all:

I now have access to source documents that provide greater detail/clarity to Dave's numbers listed above. BOTTOM LINE: DSM number is the same but DSC, LOM and SS are all higher. I do not have access to data on the remaining awards on Dave's list. My data contains info on U.S. Army awards of the DSC, DSM, SS and LOM during WW II to Red Army personnel with name, rank WD G.O. number etc. Unfortunately, the Red Army SS winners are part of a 60,000 name list and are not broken out separately as is the case with the DSM and LOM winners. Given this fact, I don't know if I'll get around to running the names to ground anytime soon though in a real quick glance I spotted about a half dozen Red Army SS winners. As with anything of this scope, however, there are bound to be Red Army award winners whose names are not on these lists owing to wartime record keeping and our own archive system. At the same time though, I don't think we'll have access to anything better than this anytime soon.
As examples, Munroe's man was awarded his LOM (in the degree of Legionnaire) when he was a Lt Col by authority of U.S. War Department General Order Number 51 in 1946. Dave's man was awarded his LOM (in the degree of Legionnaire) when he was a Jr Lt by authority of U.S. Military Mission Moscow General Order Number 12 in 1944.
This is definitely good stuff! More to follow as I have the chance to plow through the data and provide you with some more macro-level stats for each award.

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Old 01-22-2003, 12:53 AM   #9
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Dear Slava1stclass

Thank you for the info my mans LOM. He was not on Daves list so its great that you were able to confirm it. Are you also able to confirm the the bronze star.

It makes sense that the records may not be 100% correct for the American awards. However I think that the British ww2 awards may be correct becuase of their london gazettes. However ww1 awards may not be 100% correct becuase of the awards during the Russian civil war.

As I mentioned before. His research papers do not mention the LOM or the BS, but there are a few pictures of him wearing this 2 medals. I am sure that these are not mentioned in his file becuase of "fear" of foreign items.

Do you think that award citation exist for these awards. I don't think that the USA would just award decorations without a reason.

Thanks again for the info and I would be extremly grateful if you could confirm the bronze star for me.

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Old 01-22-2003, 08:09 AM   #10
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Munroe,

Glad to have been of assistance. Unfortunately, I'm not able to confirm the Bronze Star (BS). As I mentioned earlier, the data I have access to lists over 60,000 U.S. Army-awarded Silver Stars (SS) for valor in WW II (to both U.S. and foreign military personnel). This number is estimated to represent only 75% of the total U.S. Army SS awards during WW II!
I would assume that many more U.S. Army Bronze Stars were awarded in WW II than were Silver Stars. If the estimated SS count places it in the 80,000 range, I can only assume the BS number must be significantly higher.
I agree that the likely reason there is no reference to the U.S. decorations in his records is the fact that post-WW II relations with the USSR were defined by the Cold War mindset. That said, it would have been very difficult for the average Red Army soldier to have decorations from an "avowed" enemy reflected in his service record. When further placed in the context of the NKVD/KGB's espionage paranoia, this makes perfect sense. I personally think, however, that the Soviet regime likely viewed WW II U.S. awards in a very different light when it became a matter of the senior Red Army officers holding G.O./Marshal rank.
As for the citations, I can confirm that I've personally seen them accompanying the LOM certificates. For the ones I've seen, the accompanying LOM citation appears on White House stationery with President Truman's autopen signature.
P.S. I will soon post (likely via separate thread) a macro-level statistical breakout for U.S. Army DSC, DSM and LOM awards to Red Army personnel (SS awards may follow in the future if I can plow through the 60,000 names). I intend to include: total number of each decoration awarded, breakout of award by rank (at time of award) and breakout by degree of award (for LOM only). Hopefully this can then serve as a good baseline/tool for forum users.

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