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Old 04-14-2004, 08:07 PM   #11
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Just curios, how much would they cost today?

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I would estimate he could get $5,000 USD each for them today with no problem. Maybe Eugene can comment here, as I believe he has roughly priced the Republican awards market.


Herfurth has this one listed with a price of € 7160.
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Old 04-17-2004, 04:39 AM   #12
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Kapral reproduction - for comparison:
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Old 04-17-2004, 10:09 AM   #13
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Repro isn't bad at all, but they couldn't get the font right - it's too thick.
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Old 04-17-2004, 10:19 AM   #14
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And no sunburst on the red flag...

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Old 04-17-2004, 10:56 AM   #15
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Notice the uneveness of the patina. Obviously made of a cheaper metal alloy, or chemically applied.
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Old 05-06-2005, 12:20 PM   #16
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I think you'll like this one.

I said that my "Hero of the Capture of Tbilisi" was likely the rarest badge I will ever own. Well, I have no doubt that this is the rarest -- and most expensive -- order I will ever own or even just have a chance to examine up close.

I don't have a photo for comparison or even a detailed text regarding this order. The only thing that comes close is the image in Avers 6 which is of an acknowledged copy. There are some differences between this badge and the one in Avers 6. For one thing, mine is unnumbered, as I believe this variant should be. The pieces are subtly different and several, like the star, attach quite differently.

So, is mine real? I think so. However, it is not one of the items that I bought directly from a family. This came out of a very old man's collection. He is pretty well respected and knowledgeable and I believe this is an authentic order. It likely came out of the museum I mentioned in another post. However, that is something that most people only allude to, they don't readily admit it or advertise the fact. I do not represent that it did, for the purposes of this post. I admit to paying a high price in the belief that it is original, but I also admit to less than 100% certainty. Such is life. I wanted it and I took the chance.

I get lost counting, but I think there are 12 pieces. It is silver with high-quality transparent red enamel and opaque white enamel and the hammer and sickle appear to be solid gold. There are 25 rays underneath the star enamel and several dozen underneath the flag enamel. The greenish or off-color tint on the reverse image is just from my scanner light. There are no hallmarks.

The screw plate is also interesting, but I have no idea whether it is original because I can find no reference to compare it to. On the bottom is reads "M.T.X." At the top it reads "Emalyernaya” and right below that “F-KA". It has a mirror reverse.

When I get around to it and figure out how to do it, I think I'll use this order in my avatar. Is that the right word, "avatar"? The image and info underneath our user name when we post? Yeah, you know what I mean.

In the meantime, I will welcome your comments and I hope you enjoy this one.

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Old 05-07-2005, 07:06 PM   #17
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Chuck,

I am not going to pretend to be an expert on the republican awards, especially as rare as this one. Is there a serial number? Do you know who was the original recipient?

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Old 05-07-2005, 08:55 PM   #18
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Hi Alexei

No, no serial number and no provenance other than that I mentioned. It almost certainly came out of the Georgian Museum of Soviet History after independence, but I do not represent that it definitely did. Before I purchased it I asked a couple of Georgian "experts" -- knowledgeable guys and friends whose opinions I respect, FWIW -- to examine it and tell me if they thought it was authentic. They both said "Hard to say, there’s nothing obviously wrong but I've never seen one of these before" or words to that effect. My closest collector friend there said "Maybe 95% or better that it's real, but we don't have anything to compare it to." The old guy who I bought it from is very highly regarded and well-respected, and that also influenced my decision. In the end I decided that if there was nothing clearly wrong to those guys and the deal didn't smell bad, I'd rather do the deal than wonder if I should have.

What the heck. What’s life without risk? Well, yeah, “safe” does come to mind.

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Old 05-08-2005, 07:00 PM   #19
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Chuck,

According to Kutsenko there are only four pieces known to exists in the CIS, both in museums and in private collections, so yours is most likely one of the four. Out of them only one is serial numbered. I hate to use the word priceless, but you certainly have a real trasure in your posession.

BTW, when they published the Avers-6 they didn't have access to a genuine piece, and had to photograph a copy.

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Old 05-08-2005, 07:53 PM   #20
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Hello Alexei

That makes it kind of exciting, doesn't it? I appreciate you confirming what I had been told, that it wasn't supposed to be serial numbered. And I also appreciate the info about the Avers photo and the Kutsenko information. I wouldn't have known those things otherwise.

I think it's real. I certainly hope that it is, how could I deny that? I can tell you this, it caused a lot of excited comment -- all positive -- among my Georgian collector friends when I bought it. For me, it was strictly a case of being in the right place at the right time ... and having the right friends.

I buy some things because they interest me enough to collect a theme, some to re-sell to support my collecting and some just because they interest me at the moment. Most of what I have bought or collected are minor things that were/are interesting to me. That's probably a lot like everyone else on this forum.

I have had some very good opportunities in Georgia and I hope to have more. I'd like to think that I took advantage of most of them, but I know that I also passed on several that I wish I had another chance at. That's not gonna happen, they're gone forever. I'll tell you about one.

In 2002 I was offered a pre-WW II model of a Krupp howitzer. It was mounted wheels-down on a large wooden plaque. It had been a presentation piece to a very senior Soviet officer. I believe it was to a field marshall, but I no longer remember for sure. I guess it was essentially a sales promo piece. Anyway, it was maybe 24" long and every single piece on it worked like the original. Not just the wheels turned, but the elevation wheel and seat and breech and sights and everything else worked! It was a classic piece of German miniature engineering.

The guy, a friend, wanted $900 and I declined and left. On the way home I thought "$900? Heck, why not?" So I called him maybe ten minutes after I had left his home and told him I'd take it. Too late, he had already sold it for $2,000. I bet that thing was worth at least $5,000 even then. Oh well.

The Soviet awards market seems to have no top end these days. As I wrote in another post, even in Georgia there are aggressive foreign buyers everywhere. I'm not interested in keeping this piece forever. When the right deal comes along -- and there's certainly no hurry for that -- I'm sure I'll sell it. For now, maybe I'll just put it in a safety deposit box. They are cheap insurance.

In the meantime, I get a kick out of sharing my things and seeing what other collectors have to share. I know I've written that before, but I'm not interested in one-upping anyone about anything. If you have an unusual Osoaviakhim item that I don't have in my collection, for instance, I'll say wow as loud as anyone.

This is a fine hobby.

Chuck ... at home in Oregon
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