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11-29-2002, 04:31 PM | #1 |
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Eric,
I believe the answer is simple - the 3rd class you have posted is genuine, and the 2nd class is not. Best regards, Alexei |
11-29-2002, 08:13 PM | #2 |
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Alexei,
I assume you are saying that you think that the order with serial #122446 has been gold plated to pass off as a 2nd class award. If this is the case, would someone actually go through the trouble to take a late numbered 3rd class award, gold plate it to look like a 2nd class award, and NOT alter the serial number to at least make it a plausable fake? It's just awfully hard to believe that anyone would fall for this. Brian |
11-30-2002, 11:27 AM | #3 |
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Eric,
I think the explanation is more trivial. Both orders look perfectly genuine. In my opinion, the order in 26K range looks like it was awarded and was worn by the recepient - hence the heavy patina. The one in 122K range was not awarded and preserved it's original look. What looks like gold plating is simply the shine on the order, some scanners make it look more like gold than silver. Best, William |
11-30-2002, 11:30 AM | #4 |
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I think so too. Some scans of the order of labor glory 3rd cl. are also have the gold look.
BTW, the patina is VERY heavy, maybe someone helped it's developement. Tal
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11-30-2002, 05:20 PM | #5 |
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Alexei,
Why do you keep referring to the Order #122446 from the 2nd picture as to 1st class? The number is too high and the dealer sells it as 3rd class. He's been selling these for years, he probably acquired large stock of non-awarded 3rd classes. As Tal pointed out - the yellowish look on the picture is due to the scanner the seller is using. In reality is does not look that yellow. William |
11-30-2002, 06:10 PM | #6 |
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I know this dealer. I wouldn't IMAGIME him offering 2nd class, let alone 1st cl.
I think the logical explenation is that it is NOT his scan, and he used scanned 2nd class order. Olain and simple. Tal
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05-02-2004, 10:18 AM | #7 |
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S/n 59308
I have noticed that before on some "awarded s/n range" pieces.
Eric
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05-02-2004, 01:05 PM | #8 |
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Eric,
I can't see it from the scan. Does it have the same vertical lines on the bottom tip? What is the serial number? Alexei |
05-02-2004, 10:43 PM | #9 |
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Alexei,
sn is 59308, and no there does not seem to be any vertical lines at the 6 o'clock tip. Eric
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05-03-2004, 04:33 PM | #10 |
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Eric,
We were talking about unusual variations of this award. William's Order is a rare "mirror reverse" variation, and mine is a weird piece with some raised vertical lines on the bottom tip. I've never seen such variation before. I think your's is a common variation, or am I missing something? Alexei |
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