1975 cap combi - Page 4

Al-muell · 02-20-2008, 04:31 PM

The buttons are NOT original - just checked - they are 8 years later than the cap itself and as such cannot be original to it. Most likely the seller didn't have original general's buttons, so he used what was at hand.

So most likely Doug is right.

Ser-g · 02-20-2008, 04:39 PM

the cap was made in 79 see inside picture the buttons are of 78 made so they are date wise correct.

i have looked at the steep frond ,, it is rather vertical just a slight bit more than other ca[s i have.
there is no trace what so ever for a hounerguard crown badge?
and the cap was worn for sure ,, it has a slight wear on the diamond.
it was not worn much but certainly was worn.

what would general buton's cost and where would i get them from if i needed to replace them ?

Al-muell · 02-20-2008, 05:14 PM

On the pic, the date looks like 70 to me.

There may be no trace of a badge on the crown, because:
a)it wasn't attached there;
b)it was embrioded one, sewn on to the cap, and thus didn't leave much of a trace...

DougD · 02-20-2008, 05:22 PM

What type of Honor Unit would have a black cap band? I assumed that, with the exception of the army cavalry honor unit, that army honor units would have had a red band?

check E for generals cap buttons, they show up now and then. Also, i can't say i like the yellow-gold cords, from the hats i have had in they should be more of a metal golden color; but that might just be lighting in this photo. I think its an OK generals cap that was restored/rebuilt, etc. Not a big deal, its a nice cap ( but smart to get the original buttons).

DougD

Ser-g · 02-20-2008, 05:24 PM

i cheaked the pic and indeed it looks like 70 , that made it confusing.

indeed i will do my best efford to find correct buton's
it will just make the cap complete

and indeed i was wondering too about the kinda honerguard unit.
would sewing leave a trace ? like dis collarasation or tighny neadel marks.

thanks fot all your help guy's , and if you know some one who has this kinda general gerb button's for sale give me a mail.

Al-muell · 02-21-2008, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougD

What type of Honor Unit would have a black cap band? I assumed that, with the exception of the army cavalry honor unit, that army honor units would have had a red band?

check E for generals cap buttons, they show up now and then. Also, i can't say i like the yellow-gold cords, from the hats i have had in they should be more of a metal golden color; but that might just be lighting in this photo. I think its an OK generals cap that was restored/rebuilt, etc. Not a big deal, its a nice cap ( but smart to get the original buttons).

DougD

You are right - didn't think of that. Probably no honour guards wore black bands. Altough there were AF honour guards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ser-g

i cheaked the pic and indeed it looks like 70 , that made it confusing.

indeed i will do my best efford to find correct buton's
it will just make the cap complete

and indeed i was wondering too about the kinda honerguard unit.
would sewing leave a trace ? like dis collarasation or tighny neadel marks.

thanks fot all your help guy's , and if you know some one who has this kinda general gerb button's for sale give me a mail.

Sewing could leave no trace - depends on how it was done... But most likely it wasn't there.

btw. Is the cap band VELVET?

Ser-g · 02-21-2008, 05:18 AM

ya indeed the band is black velvet of very nice quality.

Ser-g · 02-23-2008, 01:38 PM

are the buttons that are used for shoulder boards the same as for cap's ?

ofcourse i mean general grade gerb.
it is hard to find cap buttons but there are shoulder boards for sale inclusive buttons.

Al-muell · 02-25-2008, 03:19 AM

In 70's and 80's they were the same.

Ser-g · 02-25-2008, 05:36 AM

okay than i will go and look for shoulder boards of a general.
is there some thing i have to watch here ? because i'm an nobi at shoulder boards.

02-20-2008, 05:22 PM	#34
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	honor unit What type of Honor Unit would have a black cap band? I assumed that, with the exception of the army cavalry honor unit, that army honor units would have had a red band? check E for generals cap buttons, they show up now and then. Also, i can't say i like the yellow-gold cords, from the hats i have had in they should be more of a metal golden color; but that might just be lighting in this photo. I think its an OK generals cap that was restored/rebuilt, etc. Not a big deal, its a nice cap ( but smart to get the original buttons). DougD

02-20-2008, 05:24 PM	#35
Ser-g Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Haarlem The Netherlands Age: 38 Posts: 374	i cheaked the pic and indeed it looks like 70 , that made it confusing. indeed i will do my best efford to find correct buton's it will just make the cap complete and indeed i was wondering too about the kinda honerguard unit. would sewing leave a trace ? like dis collarasation or tighny neadel marks. thanks fot all your help guy's , and if you know some one who has this kinda general gerb button's for sale give me a mail. Last edited by Ser-g; 02-20-2008 at 05:35 PM.

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02-20-2008, 04:31 PM	#31
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	The buttons are NOT original - just checked - they are 8 years later than the cap itself and as such cannot be original to it. Most likely the seller didn't have original general's buttons, so he used what was at hand. So most likely Doug is right.

02-20-2008, 04:39 PM	#32
Ser-g Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Haarlem The Netherlands Age: 38 Posts: 374	the cap was made in 79 see inside picture the buttons are of 78 made so they are date wise correct. i have looked at the steep frond ,, it is rather vertical just a slight bit more than other ca[s i have. there is no trace what so ever for a hounerguard crown badge? and the cap was worn for sure ,, it has a slight wear on the diamond. it was not worn much but certainly was worn. what would general buton's cost and where would i get them from if i needed to replace them ?

02-20-2008, 05:14 PM	#33
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	On the pic, the date looks like 70 to me. There may be no trace of a badge on the crown, because: a)it wasn't attached there; b)it was embrioded one, sewn on to the cap, and thus didn't leave much of a trace...

02-21-2008, 05:18 AM	#37
Ser-g Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Haarlem The Netherlands Age: 38 Posts: 374	ya indeed the band is black velvet of very nice quality.

02-23-2008, 01:38 PM	#38
Ser-g Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Haarlem The Netherlands Age: 38 Posts: 374	are the buttons that are used for shoulder boards the same as for cap's ? ofcourse i mean general grade gerb. it is hard to find cap buttons but there are shoulder boards for sale inclusive buttons.

02-25-2008, 03:19 AM	#39
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	In 70's and 80's they were the same.

02-25-2008, 05:36 AM	#40
Ser-g Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Haarlem The Netherlands Age: 38 Posts: 374	okay than i will go and look for shoulder boards of a general. is there some thing i have to watch here ? because i'm an nobi at shoulder boards.

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