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05-12-2004, 04:29 PM | #1 |
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Makers marks, Numbers & Letters
Different numbers have been seen on the reverse of different awards.
See this thread : http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...ht=makers+mark Does a "correspondance" chart of these makers marks exist ? Can we identify them, as it is, for example, the case for the German awards ? Many thanks. Ch. |
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05-12-2004, 06:12 PM | #2 |
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Christophe,
This is certainly an interesting topic, but after having an initial look through the web nothing turned up on a list that has been compilied on this subject. And I know of no list which gives the number on the reverse a link to a makers name. We could start by making our own list of numbers that have been sighted on our awards. Maybe in the future we can place a name to the number. For example maker number 7 seems to have been responsible for OGPW's Eddie. Sighted Number - Mint - Award - s/n. 1 - монетный Двор - Nevsky - T2 s/n 9329 3 - монетный Двор - Nevsky - T2 ( Above screwpost) s/n 9558 5 - монетный Двор - Nevsky - T1V3 s/n 5559 5 - монетный Двор - Nevsky - T1V3 s/n 13528 5 - монетный Двор ? - BOH screwback,T2V1 (screwpost) s/n 2947 7 - монетный Двор - OGPW 1st Class, 1st type s/n 13197 7 - монетный Двор - OGPW 2nd Class s/n 48010 7 - монетный Двор - OGPW 2nd Class s/n 56855 7 - монетный Двор - OGPW 2nd Class s/n 70134 7 - монетный Двор - Order of Suworow 3rd Class 7 - монетный Двор - Khmelnitsky 3rd, T1, s/n 1608 7 - монетный Двор - Red Banner of Labor, s/n 182087 8 - монетный Двор -OGPW 2nd Class s/n 47670 8 - монетный Двор - Nevsky - T1V3 s/n 13023 8 - монетный Двор - Khmelnitsky 3rd, T2, s/n 5038. 91 - монетный Двор - Order of Suworow 1st Class, 1st type. Sighted Letter - Mint - Award - s/n. a? --------монетный Двор - Khmelnitsky 3rd,s/n 3779 ba -------- мондвор -------- Red Banner of Labour s/n 7653 D** -------монетный Двор - Khmelnitsky 3rd, T1, s/n 2133 DO-------- мондвор?--------Order of the Badge of Honor T2V1, s/n 3798 GO -------- мондвор--------Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 10832 GR(C) -----монетный Двор - Red Banner of Labour, s/n 10275 GR(C) -----монетный Двор - Red Banner of Labour, s/n 6137. IK(C)Raised, мондвор-------- Red Banner RSFSR, s/n 13649. IK(C)Raised, мондвор-------- Red Banner RSFSR, s/n 13656. K ----------монетный Двор - Red Banner of Labour, T2V3, s/n 10275. KE ---------монетный Двор - Red Banner of Labour, s/n 7603. KP -------- мондвор -------- Order of the Badge of Honor, T2V2, SN 4285. KP -------- мондвор -------- Order of the Badge of Honor, SN 4902. KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 5126. KP -------- мондвор -------- Order of the Badge of Honor, T2V2, SN 5240. KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 6096. K P (sep) -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, T2V3, s/n 6526. KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 8116. KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 8421. KP -------- мондвор -------- Order of the Badge of Honor, T2V4, SN 11668. KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 12475 KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 12597 KP ------ -- мондвор ------- Order of the Badge of Honor, s/n 14134. KP** ----- мондвор ---------Order of the Badge of Honor, (several 14XXX s/n range) L ----------монетный Двор --OGPW 2nd, 1st type, V3. N ----------монетный Двор --OPW 1st, T1 s/n ???? O*---------мондвор ---------Red Star T2, s/n 6976 O*---------мондвор--------- Order of the Badge of Honor, T2V4, SN 11130 O* -------- мондвор -------- Order of the Badge of Honor, T2V4, s/n 11419 PO**------монетный Двор -- Red Banner of Labour,T2V2, s/n 9001 TP -------- мондвор --------- Red Banner of Labour, T2V1, SN 4077. X ----------монетный Двор --Khmelnitsky, 2nd, V1. s/n 90 X ----------монетный Двор --OPW 1st s/n 34490 X ----------монетный Двор --OPW 2nd s/n 47593 Y** -------монетный Двор --OPW 2nd s/n 101278 PLEASE NOTE: * possibly a zero ** In Cryillic Both Number and Letter or a combination of both 1 & X ----------монетный Двор -- OPW 1st, s/n 32634 1 - is stamped, X - looks like it's engraved 1,AK & 12 - BOH screwback - s/n unknown N,T & 66 -------монетный Двор --OPW 1st, s/n unknown Additional Info OPW - Observed markings for OPW - all located on the handle of the gun on reverse: "X", "8", "0" (zero) - OPW 2cl, screwback, marked "Ч" (letter) in mirror fashion (reversed), 4 mm from the screw at 8 o'clock, s/n 140174 - OPW with small mark "2", SN looks like 53936 (???) with 3 parallel marks on the bottom. - OPW 2nd, SN 337308 Also with 3 parallel marks on the bottom Additional Info BOH - BOH suspension type,marked on the inside: T? - BOH suspension type,marked on the inside: H - 6096 stamped at 6:00 position - 8116 same - 8421 same - 11668 stamped at 7:00 position - 12597 stamped at 6:00 position - 12475 stamped at 7:00 position - 14134 stamped at 6:00 position
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Eddie,
For the list, the award I was referencing also had number "7" from the Moscow Mint, but was a Order of Suvorov 3c. This sounds like an interesting topic. Art
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Art,
I've added your number to the list. Certainly very interesting. I wonder why some have makers marks and some not? Eddie.
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Maybe a silly question, but when you say Moscow mint did it have ммд on the reverse or монетный Двор? Mints гознак - Administration of the Production of Money or other valuable Documents, this agency printed award certificates for both honorary and meritorious decorations. мондвор - contraction for mint. монетный Двор - mint (for both Moscow and Leningrad) ммд - Moscow mint. ленинградский монетный Двор - Leningrad mint. Eddie.
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Eddie,
It was монетный Двор.
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It was just to ensure that the correct mint is in the list Eddie.
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Eddie, Art,
Good beginning !! Have any of us seen something helpful in books or reference literature ? Other numbers already noticed ? Ch. |
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Guys,
Notice that at the moment only OGPW's and Suworow's have numbers or letters. And they are all from монетный Двор Is this the start of a pattern? Or just coincedence? Surely this is bound to change. BTW I'll edit all numbers and letters into post #2 Eddie.
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Order Badge of Homour screwback
Here is a picture of an Order Badge of Honour with number 5 on the top of the screw thread. The Order has no mint mark. S/N is 2947.
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