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Old 05-30-2008, 07:55 AM   #1
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Please help me guys!

Can you look at these pictures and tell me what you think.

Order glory 1st class is 30 gram
Labour star is 17 gram without
hero star is 21 gram without ribbon (number 379)
Lenin type 4 is 36 gram
Lenin type 5 is 33 gram

Thanks, I would be very happy with your help!!!!!:)
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Old 05-30-2008, 08:03 AM   #2
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Re: Order lenin, gold star

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Re: Order lenin, gold star

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Re: Order lenin, gold star

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Old 05-30-2008, 08:37 AM   #6
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Re: Order lenin, gold star

Matthijs,

You are dealing with serious stuff here, commonly faked in high quality. If you are seriously considering this group, start by scanning every single piece at 1200dpi; you also need to scan the inscription on reverse of the Gold Star in 90 degree increments, and the enameled ribbon on the OG1. Short of that, you are potentially asking for serious troubles.

I can nevertheless already see some problems:
. Fake suspension for the HSU (and definitely wrong screwplate); the SN is seriously out of center, which is unusual (removed last digit?).
. Wrong screwplate for the HSL.
. OPW2 is not good (fake pin, number outside the range of Moscow Mint issues, soldered ring, letter "O" should be more square shaped, etc).
. Entries for the Orders of Glory were added on; I find the SN combination strange.

I can't/won't say anything about the rest based upon pictures of this quality.

Marc

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