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Old 04-13-2013, 10:21 AM   #21
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Location Finding help!

Gentlemen,

I beg your assistance in pin pointing these locations!

I appreciate its a long list, but any help is appreciated :)

The reason shall hopefully become apparent soon enough!

- Konstanzia
- Schir Strugo
- Sotinsky
- Natalevka
- Tsulen
- Chik-Selviz
- Vrammashili
- Henzina
- Chovanka (Hungary)


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Old 04-13-2013, 10:41 AM   #22
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Re: Location Finding help!

Shchir (Щир) is the name of a lake and village near the village of Strugi Krasniye (Струги Красные) in the Pskov Oblast (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=%D0%A...m&z=11&iwloc=A). For most of the others, additional details would be helpful (like dates and / or units present). There are several Natalyevkas for example.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:42 AM   #23
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Re: Location Finding help!

*[name an approximation due to transliteration from Russian]

There is a Konstanzia in Namibia.
I think the additional information of unit and date may help pinpoint these places from citations.
It's also a shame that lots of these places were just posted as translated text without images of the original citations.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:47 AM   #24
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Re: Location Finding help!

Thanks guys,

I'll post unit details/dates shortly :)

The fact that most of these places dont exist under their 40's names makes this a gruelling task!
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- Konstanzia - 10th Guards Ural Volunteer Tank Corps, 3rd Tank Batallion, April 1944, 1st Ukranian front

- Natalevka - 172nd Guard Rifle Regiment, 57th Guard Rifle Division, 8th Army, 1st Belorussian Front, Jan/Feb 1944

- Tsulen - 22nd Guards Cavalry Regiment, 5th Guards Cavalry Division, May 1945

- Chik-Selviz - 84th Rifle Regiment, 6th Rifle Division of the 53rd Army ,2nd Ukrainian Front, Pre November 1944, possibley September - October times

- Vrammashili - 6 Rifle Company, 20 Guards Rifle Regiment, November 1944

- Henzina - 4 Guards Tank Army, Jan 1945

- Chovanka (Hungary) - 4 Company, 2 Battalion, 149 Guards Rifle Regiment, 49 Guards Kherson Red Banner Order of Suvorov Rifle Division, December 1944

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As I've said before the renaming of places is disastrous for researchers. It gets worse when not only facing renaming but strange translations and transliterations of place names. I've had lots of troubles finding regions awarding items in the post war period in non-Russian SSRs.
I don't think I'm the only one as there are a few wikipedia pages of Azeri places where it just reads "unknown if renamed or still exists". Mind you with the regional rubber stamps the place had to be populated enough to have a regional committee. Military actions could be on "hill x" or "farm y" and without all the details could be absolutely impossible to locate.
More helpful than the citations that just read "killed 4 Romanians on 5th January" or "repaired vehicle under fire".

1st Belorussian was engaged in the Dnepr-Carpathian offensive at that time and the 1st Ukrainian was East of L'vov

Going by the dates I doubt any of these places are in Russia.
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Re: Location Finding help!

Chovanka hungary - Csovanka would fit, the date is ok:
Our Victory Day by Day - RIA Novosti project

As for Henzina - My guess is that it could be Chęcina in Poland, but there were many settlements of this or similar name (chęciny, chęcin etc.) - most of them don't exist anymore. It's just a guess based on the way Polish names with "ę" are often transcribed and for the fact that "X" equals actually Polish "ch", not "h".

Tsulen - a wild guess would be something like Zulen or Sulen in Germany - but this is nothing more than a guess.

In all the cases, the original cyrilic text would help.
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