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Old 11-12-2003, 04:51 PM   #21
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Alexei,

Many thanks for your comments.
Here are the additional measurements you asked for :

* Thickness at the tips of the sunburst (in beginning by the top one, and clockwise) :
* Top tip (without the ring) : 2.97 mm.
* Top-right tip : 3.06 mm.
* Bottom-right tip : 2.97 mm.
* Bottom-left tip : 2.96 mm.
* Top-left tip : 2.83 mm.

For the "middle", I am not sure to have fully understood...
What do you mean : the middle of the order itself ? Extremely difficult to measure because of the rotondity of the order... And do you measure it including the thickness of the letters or not ?
Or is it the middle of the tips of the sunburst (far more easy to do...) ?
Can you precise it ?

I hope these measurements have been well done, as it not easy at all to succeed in doing them !!

In advance, many thanks.

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Old 11-12-2003, 05:09 PM   #22
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Christophe,

I think I've tortured you enough with my questions :) I believe that your Order is most likely genuine.

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Old 11-12-2003, 05:25 PM   #23
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Alexei,

Excellent news !! Even if I was not really worried about it... it is always better to know.
BTW, I still have a capacity of resistance :) , so if you need any other measurement...

More seriously, do you have a database on the measurements you asked ? Do you have comparisons points, and are you able to see - thanks to the content of your database - on this basis if an OPC is genuine or not ?
If you have one, - I would fully understand you don"t disclose its content -, it would be very interesting to have an idea.

Many thanks for your knowledge.

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Old 11-15-2003, 05:55 PM   #24
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Christophe,

I have an extensive database with measurements and detailed scans of comparison points for many types and variations. I also have a very large collection of zeroxes of Paul McDaniel's COAs. Your piece looks good, all the usual check points seem OK, and all the measurements are within range. I still can't say that I am 100% sure that this piece is good, because for that I will need to actually see it, but most likely it is good.

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Old 12-24-2003, 05:35 AM   #25
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Alexei, Christophe,

This Personal Courage looks somewhat familiar, could it be from the same dealer in Berlin?

Awarded to Vasilij Sergevich Korinskoj on the 24.05.1991 for Personal Bravery does this match?
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Old 12-24-2003, 09:58 AM   #26
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Difficult to answer.
Mine booklet is, according to PMD, a variation 6. The one you posted is a variation 7 (the latest variation).
If it is a genuine one, its SN seems to extend the range of awarded OPC's SNs.
Alexei, any comment ?
We would be interested in benefiting from your expertise and knowledge.

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Old 12-24-2003, 11:35 AM   #27
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Christophe,

I should have added that the sellers address is in Berlin, thats what made me wonder if it,s maybe the same guy.
The variation 7 could fit with the award Date 1991, if it,s OK then it must be one of the last issued.

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Old 12-24-2003, 11:40 AM   #28
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Eddie,

Interesting to know... You said that the seller was from Berlin. Who is it ? Please PM his name... it is always interesting to know...

I agree with you on variation 7... but let Alexei (the Expertise, Experience and Knowledge) talk !!

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I should have added that the sellers address is in Berlin, thats what made me wonder if it,s maybe the same guy.
The variation 7 could fit with the award Date 1991, if it,s OK then it must be one of the last issued.

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Old 11-20-2004, 01:13 PM   #29
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Just for reference an authentic order of personal courage Var 1, unissued.
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Ron,

Nice piece :)

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BTW, this should help us in detecting fakes:
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