Fake Badge to Hero of January Uprising

Tal Inbar · 12-26-2003, 12:14 PM

this is not mine. Please ID this badge!

Thanks,

Tal

HuliganRS · 12-26-2003, 01:22 PM

It's a badge to Hero of January Uprising.

It was awarded to participants of this battle in Kiev Ukrain.

I believe this badge is a fake. The original is very rare.

Here's why it was given:

There were large scale uprisings organized by the Bolsheviks on November 11-13 1917 and January 29-February 8 1918. These were centered at the "Arsenal" workshop just north of the Pecherskii Monastery. The November uprising was initially successful against the forces of the Provisional Government, but was then suppressed by Ukrainian nationalists supporting their own Central Rada. In January 1918 the Bolsheviks launched an offensive against Kiev supported by revolutionary troops from central Russia. The Bolshevik organization within Kiev staged another uprising in support on 29 January. It was also centered at the "Arsenal". Fighting raged around the Arsenal and the Pecherskii Fortress. By February 4 the Rada forces of Petliura were successful in suppressing most of the uprising within the city. However, on the same day the Red forces from Kharkhov and central Russia crossed the Dnieper and entered the city. By 8 February they drove the Ukrainian Rada troops out and captured Kiev for the Bolsheviks.

Rusty.

HuliganRS · 12-26-2003, 01:29 PM

Here's a fake document that accompanies this piece...

HuliganRS · 12-26-2003, 01:31 PM

Here's another fake doc.

John · 02-20-2005, 11:57 AM

Sorry to be so ignorant, but why do you think its fake, the docs look pretty good but I have no way of telling really,
John

HuliganRS · 02-20-2005, 12:06 PM

John,

I see that this badge has your interest ;)

I had a picture of an original and it's different! Sadly my hard drive crashed a while back and I lost it umong other stuff.

Rusty.

Nota Bene · 02-23-2005, 05:49 PM

Guys,

I can't tell for sure if it is fake or not, but it is faked oh so commonly.

Rusty,

Nice docs, thanks!

Alexei

HuliganRS · 02-23-2005, 05:53 PM

Alexei,

I understand that you can't comment on the badge but do you think the documents are both fake?

Thanks!

Rusty.

Nota Bene · 02-23-2005, 05:58 PM

Rusty,

I believe the badge is a fake, but the scan is so dark I don't want to speculate.

I couldn't agree more with you on the documents - they are current production with all the problems we have seen in "genuine" WWII NKVD documents.

Alexei

HuliganRS · 02-23-2005, 06:08 PM

Alexei,

Thanks for your input!

Rusty.

12-26-2003, 01:22 PM	#2
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	It's a badge to Hero of January Uprising. It was awarded to participants of this battle in Kiev Ukrain. I believe this badge is a fake. The original is very rare. Here's why it was given: There were large scale uprisings organized by the Bolsheviks on November 11-13 1917 and January 29-February 8 1918. These were centered at the "Arsenal" workshop just north of the Pecherskii Monastery. The November uprising was initially successful against the forces of the Provisional Government, but was then suppressed by Ukrainian nationalists supporting their own Central Rada. In January 1918 the Bolsheviks launched an offensive against Kiev supported by revolutionary troops from central Russia. The Bolshevik organization within Kiev staged another uprising in support on 29 January. It was also centered at the "Arsenal". Fighting raged around the Arsenal and the Pecherskii Fortress. By February 4 the Rada forces of Petliura were successful in suppressing most of the uprising within the city. However, on the same day the Red forces from Kharkhov and central Russia crossed the Dnieper and entered the city. By 8 February they drove the Ukrainian Rada troops out and captured Kiev for the Bolsheviks. Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193 Last edited by HuliganRS; 12-26-2003 at 01:44 PM.

02-20-2005, 11:57 AM	#5
John New Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: now France again Age: 64 Posts: 1	why fake Sorry to be so ignorant, but why do you think its fake, the docs look pretty good but I have no way of telling really, John

02-20-2005, 12:06 PM	#6
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	John, I see that this badge has your interest ;) I had a picture of an original and it's different! Sadly my hard drive crashed a while back and I lost it umong other stuff. Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

02-23-2005, 05:53 PM	#8
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	Alexei, I understand that you can't comment on the badge but do you think the documents are both fake? Thanks! Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

02-23-2005, 06:08 PM	#10
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	Alexei, Thanks for your input! Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

02-23-2005, 05:49 PM	#7
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Guys, I can't tell for sure if it is fake or not, but it is faked oh so commonly. Rusty, Nice docs, thanks! Alexei

02-23-2005, 05:58 PM	#9
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Rusty, I believe the badge is a fake, but the scan is so dark I don't want to speculate. I couldn't agree more with you on the documents - they are current production with all the problems we have seen in "genuine" WWII NKVD documents. Alexei

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