M1943 Shoulder Boards for Marshal of the Soviet Union

slava1stclass · 02-21-2003, 07:49 AM

To all:

Between 4 February 1943 (the date of its institution) and 9 April 1954 (the date the new parade uniform for marshals and generals was instituted), the M1943 pattern Marshal of the Soviet Union shoulder board was worn by the following 16 MSUs:

MSU Voroshilov
MSU Budenny
MSU Timoshenko
MSU Shaposhnikov
MSU Zhukov
MSU Stalin
MSU Konev
MSU Govorov
MSU Vasilevskiy
MSU Malinovskiy
MSU Meretskov
MSU Rokossovskiy
MSU Tolbukhin
MSU Beria
MSU Sokolovskiy
MSU Bulganin

Four additional MSUs who were appointed to that grade prior to 9 April 1954 would have also qualified to wear the M1943 pattern shoulder board had they not been executed (Blucher, Egorov and Tukhachevski) or demoted to General Major (Kulik) prior to its institution.

Clearly, for someone interested in collecting Red Army World War II insignia of rank, the M1943 pattern shoulder board for a MSU is very desirable. The fact that at least 10 of these 16 MSUs played major roles in commanding/directing Front-level combat formations during various stages of the war only adds to their historical significance. While M1943 pattern Chief Marshal and Marshal shoulder boards may be far less common, a genuine M1943 pattern MSU shoulder board remains the most beautiful (if not desirable) in my view.

Regards,

slava1stclass

DougD · 02-21-2003, 05:17 PM

hope you saw the ' nice collection shot' photo posted here.

dd

Esteban_cool · 02-21-2003, 06:29 PM

What´s the difference between "1943" rank board patterns for MSU and normal ones?:confused:

DougD · 02-21-2003, 06:46 PM

these are what slava is talking about; the WWII style, button on.

dd

Esteban_cool · 03-02-2003, 09:48 AM

Hmmm....There was not too much care dedicated to the Coat of Arms of the USSR though...

DougD · 03-02-2003, 10:09 AM

Actually, the photo is not super clear, but the state seal is very well done,with real gold thread in the hammer and sickle and wheat. marshals boards have always been reasonably well done, even in the 1980's.

DD

vikingraider1 · 03-02-2003, 12:01 PM

Here is a point I think is quite relavent.
The term "Coat of Arms" of the Soviet Union in my opinion is not correct. The actual design does not conform to any medieval heraldic rules nor does it bear any symbols relating to what is generally accepted as hearldic. So in effect I think the term is wrong.
"State emblem" or indeed "State Seal" I think are more appropriate in my opinion. I would be interested to hear other peoples input on this.

DougD · 03-02-2003, 12:37 PM

state seal is always the term i have used, but to each his own.

02-21-2003, 07:49 AM	#1
slava1stclass Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 838	M1943 Shoulder Boards for Marshal of the Soviet Union To all: Between 4 February 1943 (the date of its institution) and 9 April 1954 (the date the new parade uniform for marshals and generals was instituted), the M1943 pattern Marshal of the Soviet Union shoulder board was worn by the following 16 MSUs: MSU Voroshilov MSU Budenny MSU Timoshenko MSU Shaposhnikov MSU Zhukov MSU Stalin MSU Konev MSU Govorov MSU Vasilevskiy MSU Malinovskiy MSU Meretskov MSU Rokossovskiy MSU Tolbukhin MSU Beria MSU Sokolovskiy MSU Bulganin Four additional MSUs who were appointed to that grade prior to 9 April 1954 would have also qualified to wear the M1943 pattern shoulder board had they not been executed (Blucher, Egorov and Tukhachevski) or demoted to General Major (Kulik) prior to its institution. Clearly, for someone interested in collecting Red Army World War II insignia of rank, the M1943 pattern shoulder board for a MSU is very desirable. The fact that at least 10 of these 16 MSUs played major roles in commanding/directing Front-level combat formations during various stages of the war only adds to their historical significance. While M1943 pattern Chief Marshal and Marshal shoulder boards may be far less common, a genuine M1943 pattern MSU shoulder board remains the most beautiful (if not desirable) in my view. Regards, slava1stclass Last edited by slava1stclass; 02-24-2003 at 07:40 AM.

02-21-2003, 05:17 PM	#2
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	they are nice! hope you saw the ' nice collection shot' photo posted here. dd

02-21-2003, 06:29 PM	#3
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 36 Posts: 1,103	What´s the difference between "1943" rank board patterns for MSU and normal ones?:confused: __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won't get fooled again

03-02-2003, 09:48 AM	#5
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 36 Posts: 1,103	Hmmm....There was not too much care dedicated to the Coat of Arms of the USSR though... __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won't get fooled again

03-02-2003, 10:09 AM	#6
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	Not sure I understand your comment... Actually, the photo is not super clear, but the state seal is very well done,with real gold thread in the hammer and sickle and wheat. marshals boards have always been reasonably well done, even in the 1980's. DD

03-02-2003, 12:01 PM	#7
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	Here is a point I think is quite relavent. The term "Coat of Arms" of the Soviet Union in my opinion is not correct. The actual design does not conform to any medieval heraldic rules nor does it bear any symbols relating to what is generally accepted as hearldic. So in effect I think the term is wrong. "State emblem" or indeed "State Seal" I think are more appropriate in my opinion. I would be interested to hear other peoples input on this.

03-02-2003, 12:37 PM	#8
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	state seal is always the term i have used, but to each his own.

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