Fake Orders of the Red Star - Page 23

AllThingsCCCP · 01-17-2015, 10:43 PM

I'm far from an expert that but the serial number looks terrible to me. I can't imagine why anyone would ruin a perfectly good Red Star only to give it such a high serial number. Some people have no respect.

It also looks very clean, almost new. I would take a very close look, and perhaps post more pics.

Shocktrooper · 01-18-2015, 03:31 AM

Hello,

the answer is quite simple: to make it match the papers coming with it :mad:

A shame indeed! I don`t want to know, how many beautiful orders were ruined like this one up to now...

There are genuine Red Stars with terrible engraved serial number... just take a look at this one from my collection (indeed, I just bought it, BECAUSE of this terrible engraved serial number :D)

Bill Garvy · 01-18-2015, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desantnik

Pls provide a link to your Nevsky posting.

http://soviet-awards.com/forum/sovie...-nevsky-4.html

The bidding for this Red Star & Nevsky group currently stands at over $1200 (USD) on a popular auction site. It is too bad some unlucky bidder is going to be quite unhappy. . .

Shocktrooper · 01-18-2015, 04:11 PM

Well - the Nevsky is ok, I think !?

In bad condition, but genuine.

***desantnik*** · 01-18-2015, 09:21 PM

You've posted two - which one?

Shocktrooper · 01-19-2015, 02:00 AM

Hello Paul,

a tanker`s group was offered on E*** from Lithuania. I was looking for such one for approximately 20 years now. T34/85 tank platoon commander of a spearhead / intelligence tank platoon (Павел Кириллович Трусов AN #7887). He destroyed 8 Pz IV`s, 2 heavy self - propelled guns and took more than 250 prisoners during two occasions. For the first one he had won the Red Star, which appeared to be fake as you said. The other award was an Alexander Nevsky, which I posted in the "Fake Alexander Newsky" - Section. Referring to the archive, all information was correct, but the items themself seem questionable. That was the reason why I posted the images here. Never mind - the group was sold yesterday evening for more than 2500,- € ... And I maybe will have to wait another 20 years...

With kind regards.

***desantnik*** · 01-19-2015, 02:49 AM

OK, sorry for my tardiness. If it helps, if one part of a set is fake or altered, the set is already by definition bogus and it increases the probability that other components are similarly bad.

Shocktrooper · 01-19-2015, 11:02 AM

Hello Paul,

thank you and I think you`re generally right. What do you think about the Nevsky ? I think, it`s a genuine order and mint conversion. But I maybe wrong here...

Do you think, that 2500,- € is a reasonable Price for this order + it`s history ?

Thank you very much!!!

sharp111 · 03-06-2015, 02:00 PM

Hey guys, new to the forum. I've been lurking and hopefully learning a lot of the signs of fake stars from you. Can you tell me if these two stars are real?

sharp111 · 03-06-2015, 02:03 PM

picture of star 2

01-17-2015, 10:43 PM	#221
AllThingsCCCP New Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 11	Re: Fake Orders of the Red Star I'm far from an expert that but the serial number looks terrible to me. I can't imagine why anyone would ruin a perfectly good Red Star only to give it such a high serial number. Some people have no respect. It also looks very clean, almost new. I would take a very close look, and perhaps post more pics.

01-18-2015, 04:11 PM	#224
Shocktrooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 105	Re: Fake Orders of the Red Star Well - the Nevsky is ok, I think !? In bad condition, but genuine. Last edited by Shocktrooper; 01-18-2015 at 04:20 PM.

01-18-2015, 09:21 PM	#225
*desantnik* Forum Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eurasia Posts: 2,339	Re: Fake Orders of the Red Star You've posted two - which one?

01-19-2015, 02:00 AM	#226
Shocktrooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 105	Re: Fake Orders of the Red Star Hello Paul, a tanker`s group was offered on E*** from Lithuania. I was looking for such one for approximately 20 years now. T34/85 tank platoon commander of a spearhead / intelligence tank platoon (Павел Кириллович Трусов AN #7887). He destroyed 8 Pz IV`s, 2 heavy self - propelled guns and took more than 250 prisoners during two occasions. For the first one he had won the Red Star, which appeared to be fake as you said. The other award was an Alexander Nevsky, which I posted in the "Fake Alexander Newsky" - Section. Referring to the archive, all information was correct, but the items themself seem questionable. That was the reason why I posted the images here. Never mind - the group was sold yesterday evening for more than 2500,- € ... And I maybe will have to wait another 20 years... With kind regards. Last edited by Shocktrooper; 01-19-2015 at 02:13 AM.

01-19-2015, 02:49 AM	#227
*desantnik* Forum Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eurasia Posts: 2,339	Re: Fake Orders of the Red Star OK, sorry for my tardiness. If it helps, if one part of a set is fake or altered, the set is already by definition bogus and it increases the probability that other components are similarly bad.

01-19-2015, 11:02 AM	#228
Shocktrooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 105	Re: Fake Orders of the Red Star Hello Paul, thank you and I think you`re generally right. What do you think about the Nevsky ? I think, it`s a genuine order and mint conversion. But I maybe wrong here... Do you think, that 2500,- € is a reasonable Price for this order + it`s history ? Thank you very much!!!

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