Lieutenant-General and HSU Vainrub M.G. - Page 2

Eugene · 04-29-2005, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericlida

According to the information I have:
2 times HSU: 1. Boris Volinov; 2. David Dragynskiy; 3. Rodion Malinovskiy; 4. Yakov Smushkevich.
HSU - 143.
Hero of Russia - 4.

Tal,
May be the author means that there were 6 Jewish Generals AND HSU at the same time?

Eric

Volinov and Malinovskiy never were jews

Eugene · 04-29-2005, 10:34 PM

I believe the data was correct. Only six jews being generals became HSU during GPW:
Izrail Solomonevich Beskin
Lavrenty Zacharovich Kotliar
Semyon Moyseyevich Krivoshein
Yakov Gregorovich Kraizer
Semyon Davidovich Kremer
Matvei Grigoryevich Vaintrub

ericlida · 04-29-2005, 11:28 PM

Eugene,

I don't know about Malinovsky, but Volinov's mother was jewish.

Eric.

Tal Inbar · 04-30-2005, 02:57 AM

Volinov is a Colonel, not general. And he is a Jew. I know him personaly, and his mother is Jewis, as stated above. I never stated that the 16 HSU in the list got HSU during GPW, but the statement by the seller is not clear.

Tal

Dave · 04-30-2005, 07:09 AM

I thought Dragunsky was a Colonel at the end of the War. He did retire as a Colonel General though. I could be wrong, however... If you ever get a chance to read his book, it's a good one (and in English!)

Dave

Eugene · 04-30-2005, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tal Inbar

I never stated that the 16 HSU in the list got HSU during GPW, but the statement by the seller is not clear.

Tal

I agree, you never did.

You just said that all of them were generals during GPW. Smushkevich and Shtern were arrested before GPW. Looks like seller's info is correct. Only six jews being generals during GPW became HSU. Wouldn't you agree?

Tal Inbar · 04-30-2005, 08:26 AM

I agree, Eugene. The title of Sverdlov is misleading.

But, 10 Jews were Generals during the GPW and they have HSU. I can't say if the got the HSU during the war.

Anyway, I wonder what is the price of the group, and HOW NJ became the home for high end awards...

AlexF. · 04-30-2005, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Anyway, I wonder what is the price of the group, and HOW NJ became the home for high end awards...

NY and NJ always were, now, at the times of great mergers, they merged

04-29-2005, 11:28 PM	#13
ericlida Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon, USA Age: 71 Posts: 761	Hsu Eugene, I don't know about Malinovsky, but Volinov's mother was jewish. Eric.

04-30-2005, 02:57 AM	#14
Tal Inbar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 55 Posts: 2,302	Volinov is a Colonel, not general. And he is a Jew. I know him personaly, and his mother is Jewis, as stated above. I never stated that the 16 HSU in the list got HSU during GPW, but the statement by the seller is not clear. Tal __________________ Under the banner of Marxism-Leninism, under the leadership of the Communist Party--forward to new victories in the construction of communism! Last edited by Tal Inbar; 04-30-2005 at 03:17 AM.

04-30-2005, 08:26 AM	#17
Tal Inbar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Israel Age: 55 Posts: 2,302	I agree, Eugene. The title of Sverdlov is misleading. But, 10 Jews were Generals during the GPW and they have HSU. I can't say if the got the HSU during the war. Anyway, I wonder what is the price of the group, and HOW NJ became the home for high end awards... __________________ Under the banner of Marxism-Leninism, under the leadership of the Communist Party--forward to new victories in the construction of communism!

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04-29-2005, 10:34 PM	#12
Eugene Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NY,NY Posts: 157	I believe the data was correct. Only six jews being generals became HSU during GPW: Izrail Solomonevich Beskin Lavrenty Zacharovich Kotliar Semyon Moyseyevich Krivoshein Yakov Gregorovich Kraizer Semyon Davidovich Kremer Matvei Grigoryevich Vaintrub

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