2 unknown russian visor caps

[Ser-g]

hellow al,

i've been collecting russian caps for a wail now.
and i just cant place the first cap i know the badge crocade is rong its m55 and the cap aint. but what the hex for a cap is it, i think it might be ukrainian since the side buton's are. further more i dont know any thing about it.

the second cap looks at first m58 mvd internal troops to me, but i cant say it is certain to me that it is a original, the visor looks so wierd to me. the collor of the top is the same green as al service uniforms m70.

they both have the same maroon blood red band.

i hope you folks can help out ,

[DougD]

Hello and welcome to the Forum!

The first cap is odd, might just be an army service cap with improper parade cap device.

The second cap is a copy (in my opinion) of a WWII officers cap. You are correct about the brim!

DougD
Moderator - Cloth

[Ser-g]

ya the first is wierd , what made me wonder if it might be a ukrainian is that the inner lining is the rong collor sort of green gray instede of the usaly gray collor it has no makers label as in a oil thing , it does have a clear plastic kinda dimond.

i've included some more pictures,
1 of the inside
2 the cap in question between a parade (armour) and a militia for color
3 next to a armor service cap

as you can see it is to gray for a parade to gray for a service and too green for a militia.
the band look to me as maroon so mvd.
see it your self and please help me out, i almost cant sleep because of this cap :mad:

the second ya it was cheap so it is nice to have as a show how caps evolved, it is of the right material and only the inner liner witch is of lether and the visor makes me think about it.
people with info about it are welcom to help out.

thanks

[Ser-g]

Hi i have discovered a tag in the cap witch say's something in russian, could any one tel me some thing about it.

maybe it helpt finding out what this cap is.

the tag was sitting in the peak at the bak side seam (in the neck)

[Ser-g]

ow and i also made a pic of the stamps maybe they tell something.

[Al-muell]

The first cap is ukrainian MVS. Compare the crown collour. Also, the label is in ukrainian or belorussian judging on the way the letter "i" is written. Also it has a symbol of Odessa headwear factory ond date "94". It has a strange badge - this wreath may by m55 replica, but it seems to be something custom made.
The other one is probably not soviet/post sviet at all. Pictures of the inside would help, but I would guess it may be som soviet-block country.