|
|
11-26-2009, 12:10 PM | #1 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cajun Country
Age: 56
Posts: 1,565
|
Moldovan MVD badge - PMN/PMR
This piece just arrived and is clearly an early post-Soviet MVD badge. Because of the state seal with the hammer and sickle, I am only sure that it is from Moldova. Beyond that (like for how long this was awarded, if it still is, etc.), I do not know.
This thread has some great historical information about the seal and explained the dilema I found myself in after I got closeups of the letters in the banner of the seal - "PMN" at the center and "PMR" on both sides - http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...an-badges.html It is just a little larger than the soviet aluminum badge (last picture) and appears to be made of brass considering the much heavier weight compared to it's predecessor. No mint marks either. Phillip
__________________
Phillip |
11-28-2009, 11:14 AM | #2 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Central Virginia
Age: 70
Posts: 744
|
Re: Moldovan MVD badge - PMN/PMR
The initials on the State seal of the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic (Pridnestrovie for short) are the same initials of the country written in the three primary languages spoken there: Russian, Ukrainian and Moldovan (Romanian). Nice badges, by the way.:thumbsup:thumbsup
__________________
"We are Marching for the Victory of Communist Labour" V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin) |
11-28-2009, 04:55 PM | #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cajun Country
Age: 56
Posts: 1,565
|
Re: Moldovan MVD badge - PMN/PMR
Thanks Greg. Strange how things seem to work, eh?;)
__________________
Phillip |
11-29-2009, 09:22 AM | #4 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Central Virginia
Age: 70
Posts: 744
|
Re: Moldovan MVD badge - PMN/PMR
I have re-read this thread and I'd like to point out that these badges are not Moldovan- they are Pridnestrovan. Were they Moldovan, the seal would bear the bull's head motif and the colours would be red, yellow and blue (pretty much the same as Romania). As they are Pridnestrovan, the hammer and sickle is used along with the colours red, green and red (pretty much the same as the Moldavian SSR). General Suvorov's image is used by Pridnestrovie these days (on just about everything including paper money) and the image of him on horseback is from the statue outside of the government building (see post #4). Two separate countries now, and on less than cordial terms.
As Pridnestrovie has only existed as a separate nation since 1992, I believe these long periods mentioned (85 and 90 Years) go back even farther than the Moldavian SSR period and, given Pridnestrovie's location, probably dip into Ukraine's history. It was Stalin that redrew the lines which grouped what is now Pridnestrovie with what is now Moldova into the Moldavian SSR, and this was after WWII.
__________________
"We are Marching for the Victory of Communist Labour" V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin) Last edited by Greg Collins; 11-29-2009 at 09:34 AM. |
11-29-2009, 09:29 AM | #5 |
Forum Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Eurasia
Posts: 2,339
|
Re: Moldovan MVD badge - PMN/PMR
Greg, they are Moldovan. Even Transnistria or Pridnestrovie calls itself the the Transnistrian Republic of Moldova - hence the PMR. Not a single country in the world, even Russia, has recognized Transnistria as a country, which is more than could be said for Abkhazia and Southern Ossetia.
|
11-29-2009, 10:39 AM | #6 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Central Virginia
Age: 70
Posts: 744
|
Re: Moldovan MVD badge - PMN/PMR
Sorry Paul, but I'm a "screw the rest of the world" kinda guy. Own government, own currency, denied entry- via Border Guard- to the Moldovan President... if it walks like a duck...
Of course, you have to realize that as a Virginian, I sincerely and emphatically believe that, during the period of 1861 and 1865, the place I was born and now live was in a different country. Many would argue the point, so I guess it all depends on your perspective; as it would were I a Pridnestrovan. Anyway, the distinction between Moldova and Pridnestrovie is important when considering ODM's and badges because of both the seals and national colour differences. Whether one believes it is the same country or not, there is a decided difference in the insignia and it makes sense here to cite that difference to place the item geographically and, for that matter, culturally.
__________________
"We are Marching for the Victory of Communist Labour" V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin) Last edited by Greg Collins; 11-29-2009 at 11:08 AM. |
11-29-2009, 12:41 PM | #7 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cajun Country
Age: 56
Posts: 1,565
|
Re: Moldovan MVD badge - PMN/PMR
Quote:
Side note: when I was in grad scholl in SW Virginia, the folks there certainly didn't want West Virginia back and had lots of insulting jokes about that "break-away" state.:D Phillip
__________________
Phillip |
|
11-29-2009, 01:13 PM | #8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Central Virginia
Age: 70
Posts: 744
|
Re: Moldovan MVD badge - PMN/PMR
Well Phil,
The really funny thing is that almost no one outside the PMR seems to know what to call the Republic, even though it's right there in the initials. Calling it the Transnistrian Republic of the PMR is like calling us the United States of the USA. Basically saying the same thing twice. Everyone, however, seems to agree it's a Republic; although not "officially" recognizing the split, people are, in fact, recognizing it as a separate country in their speech and, therefore, in their minds. Yes, the history of this area is very interesting and compelling- watching boundaries and alliances change and cultures move. I could go on but I believe we've really gone off topic at this point and, yes, I believe I've heard most of those jokes.:D
__________________
"We are Marching for the Victory of Communist Labour" V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin) |
Bookmarks |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Badge "Excellent Militia". | medaldude | Internal Affairs And Security Services | 16 | 06-26-2015 06:00 PM |
Commemorative Badge "90 Years Of Transport Militia MVD Russia". | CtahhR | Unofficial Awards | 1 | 02-18-2013 12:51 PM |
Chest Badge "Exemplary District Inspector Of Militia". | CtahhR | Ministry Of Internal Affairs Of The Russian Federation | 0 | 06-21-2012 10:26 AM |
Chest Badge "Excellent Militia". | CtahhR | Ministry Of Internal Affairs Of The Russian Federation | 1 | 06-20-2012 04:52 PM |
Chest Badge "Exemplary Employee Of Special Units Of Militia". | CtahhR | Ministry Of Internal Affairs Of The Russian Federation | 0 | 06-17-2012 03:04 AM |
US Army surplus Backpack woodland crewmans equipment bag. Minty
$120.00
Czech M85 Army Shoulder Bag Rubberized with Shoulder Strap 1980's Communist Bloc
$13.00
USMC Coyote Brown Issued Garment Bag
$8.00
US Army Mechanics Canvas Tool Bag #BG1
$29.99
Military Duffle Bag, OD Green Nylon Sea Bag Carry Straps Army Duffel USGI EXC
$28.90
Watershed Chattooga 22 L Dry Bag Coyote
$99.99
Vintage Military Hand Painted Bag Hamptons 40’s
$65.00
$45.00
North American Rescue /Mini-Medic Bag (Black&Green)Bag Only/Missing Pouch - READ
$139.87
Military Duffle Bag USGI OD Green Nylon Sea Bag Carry Straps Army Duffel
$27.95