Unknown early badge fake(?)

Al-muell · 09-25-2012, 11:57 AM

I got it togeather with other items to sell from Ukraine and I am wandering what it is? It seems to be some sort of early Soviet Navy artillery badge, but I don't recognize it. I believe this one is a fake, but of what?
Many thanks in advance!

***CtahhR*** · 09-25-2012, 12:33 PM

I think it is trying to be a fake of a "dembel" Badge. It looks to be constructed from a fake Red Star. No-one would ever consider doing this to a real Red Star (if they had been awarded it).

I would avoid this like the plague. NOT even worth thinking about metal value.

Lapa · 09-25-2012, 03:04 PM

Al-Muell,

The base is a fake T1 ORS.

Marc

deValcourt · 09-25-2012, 09:20 PM

Don't sell it off unless someone just likes ugly useless stuff. Keep it in your WTF? drawer (I have such a drawer).:D

Phillip

Al-muell · 09-26-2012, 01:38 AM

I would never have guessed it may be based on a fake ORS. Someone's got fantasy there in Ukraine.
If I am going to sell it, it will go as fake (or maybe better: fantasy). I would keep it, but I would have to pay for it, so I will either send it back or try to get rid of it.
Thanks for the opinions, guys.

Lapa · 09-26-2012, 03:45 AM

Al-Muell,

Can you please take it apart, I'd love to have a better look at the base star.

Marc

Shocktrooper · 09-26-2012, 04:35 AM

Agree ... !

Al-muell · 09-26-2012, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lapa

Al-Muell,

Can you please take it apart, I'd love to have a better look at the base star.

Marc

I will post the pic tommorow, as I have lent my camera. What I can say now: The red star has the enamel very thin - more like in Yugoslav Partisan star than in the ORS. Also it doesn't seem to be made of silver. In addition, the cannons and anchor motif seems to had been mounted before the enamel had chance to fully soldify, as it has left traces in it and there is a red "smudge" of the enamel on the back of that device.

Al-muell · 09-27-2012, 06:57 AM

The promised pics...

Lapa · 09-27-2012, 07:05 AM

Al-Muell,

Thank you for the pictures. It looks like someone wanted to make a T1 ORS fake (Goznak), then realized that it would not be very successful and decided to use the spare part in a creative manner.

Can you please confirm that the "enamel" is in fact epoxy?

Marc

09-25-2012, 12:33 PM	#2
*CtahhR* Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Deep In The Archives. Age: 17 Posts: 12,074	Re: Unknown early badge fake(?) I think it is trying to be a fake of a "dembel" Badge. It looks to be constructed from a fake Red Star. No-one would ever consider doing this to a real Red Star (if they had been awarded it). I would avoid this like the plague. NOT even worth thinking about metal value. __________________ "Signed with his own rubber stamp"

09-25-2012, 03:04 PM	#3
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Unknown early badge fake(?) Al-Muell, The base is a fake T1 ORS. Marc

09-25-2012, 09:20 PM	#4
deValcourt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cajun Country Age: 56 Posts: 1,565	Re: Unknown early badge fake(?) Don't sell it off unless someone just likes ugly useless stuff. Keep it in your WTF? drawer (I have such a drawer).:D Phillip __________________ Phillip

09-26-2012, 01:38 AM	#5
Al-muell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 1,828	Re: Unknown early badge fake(?) I would never have guessed it may be based on a fake ORS. Someone's got fantasy there in Ukraine. If I am going to sell it, it will go as fake (or maybe better: fantasy). I would keep it, but I would have to pay for it, so I will either send it back or try to get rid of it. Thanks for the opinions, guys.

09-26-2012, 03:45 AM	#6
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Unknown early badge fake(?) Al-Muell, Can you please take it apart, I'd love to have a better look at the base star. Marc

09-26-2012, 04:35 AM	#7
Shocktrooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 105	Re: Unknown early badge fake(?) Agree ... !

09-27-2012, 07:05 AM	#10
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Unknown early badge fake(?) Al-Muell, Thank you for the pictures. It looks like someone wanted to make a T1 ORS fake (Goznak), then realized that it would not be very successful and decided to use the spare part in a creative manner. Can you please confirm that the "enamel" is in fact epoxy? Marc

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