Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class

iltt · 03-24-2013, 09:46 AM

Hi, How about this one? Can anybody give me some help please?

Lapa · 03-24-2013, 12:35 PM

Iltt,

Can you please post a large picture of the front and the back of the gold piece. From the ones you posted, there seems to be some bubbling which could possibly indicate casting.

Marc

iltt · 03-25-2013, 06:16 AM

Hi, Marc
These are the larger picture. This OPW weighs 28.44g without screw plate, lighter than the average.What do you think about it?
iltt

Lapa · 03-25-2013, 08:10 AM

Iltt,

I am not sure here. The gold star is markedly lighter that it should be (~14.3 g), and there are many bubble-like pimples both on the front and back of it.
Can you do as large a large scan of the mintmark only as possible?

Marc

iltt · 03-25-2013, 08:43 AM

Hi, Marc
Thank you for your help. This is the mintmark scan.
iltt

Lapa · 03-25-2013, 02:45 PM

Iltt,

Thank you for the new image, although of limited use.

I tend to believe that the gold star is actually a good quality cast copy. I am afraid that a definite diagnosis can be made only by holding the piece in hand.

Marc

iltt · 03-26-2013, 09:34 AM

Marc,
Thank you for your help!:thumbsup
This OPW 1st measures 45mm tall, 43mm wide, smaller than average. I have no idea. I'm afraid I must turn to golden identification for help:(
Iltt

Lapa · 03-26-2013, 11:08 AM

Iltt,

I am afraid that with the last bit of information you provided, you just confirmed my doubts: a cast piece.

When a cast is made, upon cooling the metal shrinks slightly, resulting in copies that are smaller than the original.

Marc

Ruiz · 03-27-2013, 04:57 AM

Hello.

How about this GPW I Class ?

Best regards.

Lapa · 03-27-2013, 05:27 AM

Ruiz,

It looks good to me from what can be seen, although larger picture wouldn't hurt ;)

Marc

03-24-2013, 12:35 PM	#2
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class Iltt, Can you please post a large picture of the front and the back of the gold piece. From the ones you posted, there seems to be some bubbling which could possibly indicate casting. Marc

03-25-2013, 08:10 AM	#4
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class Iltt, I am not sure here. The gold star is markedly lighter that it should be (~14.3 g), and there are many bubble-like pimples both on the front and back of it. Can you do as large a large scan of the mintmark only as possible? Marc

03-25-2013, 02:45 PM	#6
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class Iltt, Thank you for the new image, although of limited use. I tend to believe that the gold star is actually a good quality cast copy. I am afraid that a definite diagnosis can be made only by holding the piece in hand. Marc

03-26-2013, 09:34 AM	#7
iltt New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 13	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class Marc, Thank you for your help!:thumbsup This OPW 1st measures 45mm tall, 43mm wide, smaller than average. I have no idea. I'm afraid I must turn to golden identification for help:( Iltt

03-26-2013, 11:08 AM	#8
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class Iltt, I am afraid that with the last bit of information you provided, you just confirmed my doubts: a cast piece. When a cast is made, upon cooling the metal shrinks slightly, resulting in copies that are smaller than the original. Marc

03-27-2013, 05:27 AM	#10
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class Ruiz, It looks good to me from what can be seen, although larger picture wouldn't hurt ;) Marc

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