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Old 11-20-2007, 02:54 AM   #1
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Lenin Group

Hello,

what do you think about this group? I think the awards are okay.

Is the group put together?

best regards and thanks
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:03 AM   #2
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ok, so all awards were given before April 23, 1943? Wow, what did this guy do that was so impressive?

Also, is the upper date actually, April 1, 1943?
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Old 11-20-2007, 06:41 AM   #3
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Hello,

what do you think about this group? I think the awards are okay.

Is the group put together?

best regards and thanks
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I'd bet the three last awards have been added. But I havent' my Kutsenko on hand to check the s/n... You should post the picture of the red star reverse, I believe the s/n has been polished the re-engraved.
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:41 AM   #4
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here is the Red Star

could be
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:47 AM   #5
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here is the Red Star

could be
I don't like the serial number. Charlet might be right.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:08 AM   #6
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Good serial number

I believe the serial number is correct according to the photos I have provided of numbers within this range.

Notice the 1's and 3's are very similar if not identical.

As for the other items, yes, I stand by the original assessment. Either this is a fake group or the guy ran the whole factory all by himself.

Also according to Paul's book, "Echos of War", the Order of Lenin would have been given between 1960-64.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:19 AM   #7
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I believe the group (and the RS) to be good. A WWII award with later civilian awards added. The '43 date in the middle of the page was the initial privilieges authorization date for the RS, NOT the date the booklet was filled out.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:48 AM   #8
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Group is good, no doubt. Year 1943 is concerning only the red star. If You notice this document is hard covered 1943 type ordenskaja knizka.
Labor awards are written to these book later.

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I just do not like on this photo the lighter patina below the s/n... could it be polishing? I cannot be affirmative with only a photo...
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:50 PM   #10
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So how much did it sold for? I didn't watch the end of the auction.
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