Red Star.

[marsino]

1952 2984860 – 3109285

1953 3057204 – 3130703

1954 3123124 – 3296489

1955 3263997 – 3388867

1956 3384949 – 3496702

1957 3397933 – 3544859

1958 3545176 – 3552412

1959 3553097 – 3554769

1960 3456865

1961 3556129

1963 3559914

1965 3418133 – 3567788

1966 3568983 - 3580520

1967 3018609 – 3741973

1968 3586610 – 3721679

1969 3609935 – 3629049

1970 3614868 – 3750137

1971 3678085 - 3751466

1972 3632372 - 3678732

1973 3696528 - 3723181

1974 3750339

1975 3638468 – 3758578

1976 3637168 - 3763232

1977 3724216 - 3763267

1978 3763784

1979 3647176 - 3755509

1980 3710847 - 3736550

1981 3753910 – 3762683

1982 3642360 – 3738669

1983 3658852 - 3679670

1984 3647782 - 3731734

1985 3674723 - 3791750

1986 3713847 - 3775738

1987 3780532 - 3788041

1988 3789268 – 3808298

1989 3796825 - 3839392

1990 3807883 - 3839970



after 1991 3804986 - 3823077

CtahhR,
Forgive me for the disorder :o

[CtahhR]

Great work collecting the information. I'll tidy it up for you so it runs numerically so it is easier to see what is what.

For those who don't know the abbreviations "NNG" is "Catch Up" and "VIPP" is "Combat And Political Preparedness" which was a rather general cover all.

I'm surprised you missed this one - http://soviet-awards.com/forum/sovie...nd-1974-a.html

I think you've truly proved there that an Afghanistan Red Star can be anywhere in a range of about 250,000.

You can also increase the range for 1956 by 20,353 - http://soviet-awards.com/forum/sovie...tml#post198727

This information also adds to the fun - 3399624 Long service or Hungary? 50/50 by the look of it.

[Tommy]

Morning Guys,

Does anyone have any idea which front or amy may have awarded Red Star #82xxx?

Cheers!

Tom

[marsino]

Originally Posted by Tommy

Does anyone have any idea which front or amy may have awarded Red Star #82xxx?

From Echoes:

81311 - 25.01.43 - 4 Guard Motorized Rifle Brigate.
82567 - 28.04.42 - 5 Guard Tank Corps, 69 Tank Brigate.
83320 - 2.03.43 - 2 Air Army.

[Auke]

Tom,a few more:

81543 - 6th Army (6th Army staff flight)
82155 - Central Front (Group of Guards Mortar Units)
82765 - Western Front (213th Night Bomber Div)
82768 - Western Front (213th Night Bomber Div)

[CtahhR]

I have noticed more than one seller fraudulently offering Red Stars (and Red Banners and For Combat Merits) that have been researched by serial and the award card returns a double awarding of the award in question. Since it's this thread lets say a Red Star. So Comrade X's record card comes back after a Red Star has been researched by the dealer. Comrade X was awarded 2 Red Stars. Let's say #1 was awarded by ukaz in 1942 for some brave feat (you could add the word Stalingrad if you like) that has all the appeal to collectors and #2 was awarded in 1956 for 15 years service (mainly behind a desk).

The record card lists an array of awards, Red Star #1, Red Star #2, For Combat Merits, VOG, etc.

Red Star #2 is a 15 year long service award - no result on "the site". So since a Red Star citation can be found that matches the recipient, Red Star #2 is fraudulently sold as Red Star #1. Look the name on the paperwork matches! It may do but the Ukazes don't.

Some poor folks have been seriously overpaying for Red Stars they believe were awarded for some feats of bravery but were in fact awarded for 15 years service.

You have been warned!!

[marsino]

Originally Posted by CtahhR

I have noticed more than one seller fraudulently offering Red Stars (and Red Banners and For Combat Merits) t

You have been warned!!

:thumbsup

ДРА :confused: What is meant with this abbreviation?

[CtahhR]

Democratic Republic Of Afghanistan.

[Auke]

I still can't really picture the type of fraud you're describing... The high serial number would be a clear sign that the star in question actually wasn't awarded in 1942. Plus, the record card lists two Red Stars - the one that is being sold, with a 1956 award date, and a star with a 1942 serial number and award date. How does he convince the buyer that the 1942 citation and the 1956 star go together? Not sure how the seller would explain that.

[CtahhR]

No doubt praying on the ignorance of beginners. Some people also only see what they want to see.

I've seen examples where the recipient received two or more Red Stars and sometimes multiple citations are available and the "sexiest" is always presented. I've also seen examples where someone with the same name but in a more appealing position has been used. I've seen Red Star citations from 1943. 1944, 1945, 1948 all being put together with 15 year long service Red Stars (definitely long service and not catch up due to the record card indicating the Ukaz awarding). Those just starting out may not be informed enough to realise that they are being taken for a ride.

Having the complete set of documents with all the information is the best way to know just what is what. Sometimes the citation is not enough, the full text of the Prikaz or Ukaz and record card all have to be used together.

Sort of like "I researched this Red Star by serial number and it indicates that #33##### was awarded to Ivan Ivanov (not mentioning it was awarded by Ukaz in December 1956). Here is a citation to the Heroic Ivan Ivanov for a Red Star saying he was awarded a Red Star for being a sniper in Stalingrad (not mentioning it was to another Ivan Ivanov by Prikaz in 1943). Bid with confidence!"

There are some really greedy liars out there. Have real (unappealing) items and misinformation then add a few shill bids and someone gets carried away. An unfortunate fall to reality will come with time though.