Deputy Badges.

[Riley1965]

Here's the newest addition to my Mongol Collection. It's a...

Deputy of the State Lower Assembly (1924-1944) Badge serial Number 100

Doc

[Nota Bene]

Two variations of B 01 observed - with and without the mintmark.

Alexei

[deValcourt]

This is an old thread, but it has the right title.

I have a badge nearly the same as the one pictured below (exact same wording and design) and paid a small amount for it (as somebody else just did on ePay, I believe). The question I have is two parts. First, what level of deputy is this? If it is in line with the Soviet versions, then is this a regional (rayon/oblast) badge? Third (;)), the reverse of this one is textured and the seller called it the "old type." The one I have has a smooth back with a much older looking and more "refined" pin and hook system - obviously either made at a different mint or at a different time period. Anyone know more about these?

Phillip

[medals73]

Thanks for bringing this thread back to life, Philip. While it may sometimes be useful to look to the Soviet model when studying Mongolian awards, it is also important to understand Mongolia.

What you have here is the badge for a Deputy of the Province and Towns Council (Battushig #B09). By "province", Bat means the Aimag (Аймаг). This was worn by members of the administrative councils of the 21 Aimags (though this number fluctuates over time) and the independent industrial towns of of Darkhan and Erdenet.

The Aimag is the basic unit of administration and with the exception of the capital city of Ulanbaatar and these two industrial towns, the remainder of the country is organized into Aimags. It is the major second-tier unit of administration and actually does things.

There are three varieties of Aimag badges, and it is difficult to put dates onto these. The first (Battushig's B08) seems to be earlier than yours, and was used for the Aimags, the capital, and the towns. I would guess (for what that is worth) that it is from the 1960s and early 1970s. The second variety is what you have and I'd guess it is from the late 1970s and 1980s, though by this period a separate badge was used for Ulanbaatar (Battushig B10 and B11). After 1991, a new design of the Aimag badge was introduced (Battushig B14 and B15).

I show these earlier and later Aimag badges below.

The quality of manufacture varies widely, and I think many of these were locally made. There is also the danger with many (though especially with your variety) that the enamel coating discolors, yellows, and makes the central blue stripe look a rather sickly green. I have never seen a screwback badge for these nor have I seen any of them numbered (unlike the khural badges that are always numbered).

It is, by the way, important to distinguish the badge you have from that used in the same period for the next lower level of administration, the Sum (Cум), many of these 331 had limited power with average areas of 4,200 km² and with about 5,000 inhabitants. I have shown this often-confusing badge (B12) below as well (the later Sum badges are B13 and B17). Below the Sum is the Bag and most of these exist on paper only, merely as lists of nomadic families, but they also have badges after 1991 (B16).

I hope this hasn't confused things even more?

I could always add more, of course, and can dig out some documents too if anyone wants . . . . :rolleyes:

[deValcourt]

Thank you for the plethora of information. Not as confusing when you think it over as when you are actually reading it - if that makes sense.

You are spot on about the enamel. Though the pictures I posted are not of my badge, but one very much like mine, mine does have a similar "greenish" hue in the center. I thought it was intentional.:( Now I know better. It's too bad because the blues in your badges are quite eye-catching.

What strikes me as odd is that the "Sum" (Raion) badge is so close in design to mine which since you said it was used at roughly the same time would be absurdly confusing unless one were to walk up to someone wearing either of these and squint to see which level they were "working" at.:rolleyes:

Feel free to break out any documents you want because I will have some questions about Mongolian award booklets in the near future.:thumbsup

Phillip

[medals73]

Here are a few documents, whose scans happen to be at hand. Part of the gropup to Jamtsaa Jantsan (a nice group but sadly missing two awards: Red Banner of Combat Valor, #4953, 29 August 1995 and Medal "We Won", #52388, 28 December 1990 [!]).

The deputy badge earliest is the highest.

"Mr.Jamtsaa Jantsan is a member of the State Great Khural of the Mongolian People's Repbulic and is elected from the electoral district No. 42 of Choibalsan of the Third State Great Khural of the Mongolian People's Republic.

"The Chairman of the Presidium of the State Great Khural of MPR, J.Sambuu.

"The Secretary of the Presidium of the State Great Khural of MPR.

"July 8th, 1957"

[Urnuh]

Originally Posted by medals73

To continue in our discussion of these deputy badges, a few additions to the Higher and Lower Khural badges (1924-44) shown above:

Type 1.1 – Deputy of the State Higher Assembly -- not much is known on the serial number range as my records show only #63 -- not in Battushig.

Type 1.2 – Deputy of the State Lower Assembly -- reported serial number range Low = 1/High = 236 -- I have never seen one without a mint mark, but if NB says they exist, I trust his statement -- Battushig B01.

Both of these badges are now faked and there is much controversy surrounding them (especially the 1.1 variety).

It is not presently known what badges (if any) were used in the 1944-60 period. Personally, I'd guess that these badges continued in use, but I have only the vague recollection of one aging senior Mongolian official to support this supposition. But, in my notes, I refer to these as a possible unknown Type 2, just in case something surfaces.

Type 1.1, in my opinion, is a fake. I have never seen the photo documents of this badge worn by the deputies and the quality of the badge looks inferior.

Originally Posted by medals73

In 1990, the typography on the badge was significantly redesigned (Type 3.3 -- Battushig #B04). So far as I know at present, this badge was issued only in screwback form (and, so, was immensely unpopular with those who had to wear it and, thereby, spoil good clothing). The observed serial number range is Low = 0003/High = 0995.

This badge was only worn for two years and became obsolete in 1992 with the change in Mongolian governmental structure.

This deputy Badge (battushig #B04) has been introduced in 1951 (I need to look my records for exact date) when the State Small Khural (or as you name it Lesser Khural) was renamed into the State Great Khural. Therefore the Presidium of the State Great Khural had to change the badge design. To this end, the Presidium used new Mongolian State Flag (adopted in 1945: red-blue-red color composition) as a background and change the old Mongolian script abbreviation of the "Member of the State Small Khural" into a full text: Mongolian People's Republic-deputy of the State Great Khural.