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06-09-2002, 01:53 PM | #1 |
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clean spots
Hi Alexei
Yes it is easy to get taken in by a so called great find. The badges have clean spots and patches and for that reason I actually cleaned them a bit my self to test them (the V and XV). I noticed it left the same impression, as it was quite hard to remove the paterna, some came off easier than others as the hand does not apply equal pressure. I am convinced that the paterna is not chemicaly applied. It is a pity that they were cleaned in the first place but I believe they where that dirty that the seller trys to make them more attractive which make sense in the estetical point of view but not for the collector. Yes it is up to the individual to decide if he is happy with them and when the call is close scans can be deceptive. However I think we should still continue to play the devils advocate with each other when we have pieces that are of interest and may be dodgy/good. I am happy with these pieces and I thank you for your learned imput. I have one or two other pieces that will provide a few more threads ....but for the future...:D regards chris |
06-20-2002, 06:42 PM | #2 |
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Another eBay special. This is just a "fantasy" piece:
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08-22-2002, 05:16 AM | #3 |
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A first to me (the version of the fake - flatback):
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08-22-2002, 08:16 PM | #4 |
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Tal,
Interesting. I think the front is also very ugly and lacks detail. Alexei |
08-26-2002, 03:41 AM | #5 |
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Well, I finally registered for this site. Greetings Nota Bene old friend. I have not heard from you in ages. I am a little out of touch here in Bosnia these days - I also have other interests (medieval arms and armour) but I still keep collecting Soviet stuff if slowly.
I am glad you guys like my otlichnik.tripod.com website. Lots of people have contributed to it including Nota Bene. I am just sorry I have done so little updating recently. First I must say that I am not a badge expert. Uniforms and IDs are my main area. The best guy I know for the high end state security badges in Robert (Panda) Pandis who has a CD ROM with articles and very high res scans available. Nevertheless, I agree fully with Nota Bene's posts. Unfortunately, those V and XV badges of Chris's really worry me too. While it is great to compare them with good high res shots of genuine badges - or better in person, there are two universal rules that I use. 1) Does it appear to have proper age. Unfortunately, the ability to detect this is really only learned with time and handling lots of badges. 2) Quality. With the exception of some Republic KGB badges and KGB enlisted badges (like duty officer or times on duty) I have never seen any state security badge that was not absolute top quality. Cheap material and casting/strike flaws are always cause for concern. Shawn |
08-26-2002, 10:23 AM | #6 |
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Hi Shawn
That’s why I'm happy with my badges V and XV......top quality and good materials..No casting Here is another I would actually love some body else out there, to post their V and XV, as surely there must be amongst so many members to compare them with Cheers Chris |
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09-21-2002, 07:42 PM | #8 |
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As per your request Tal. Based on the scan of the fake and original side by side this looks original?
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09-21-2002, 07:51 PM | #9 |
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My impression: a fake. Strange - there is NO enamel at all around the face of Felix, and in the star, BUT, at the bottom - the enamel is intact?
The faker used red color to make us think there used to be enamel on other areas. Tal
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09-23-2002, 03:40 AM | #10 |
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It is always hard to comment on the colour of scans, however, I too have suspicions medaldude. The wear pattern on the enamel is very, very odd. Also, the enamel on the ribbon appears way too dark.
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