"OKDVA" Soldier's Badge

ydesyatnik · 08-03-2003, 02:50 PM

Is this a real one or a fake?

Yuri

Esteban_cool · 08-03-2003, 08:37 PM

Yurasha:
I´d say is a fake. I have seen other ones and the enamel is not so red. It was also more dark and slightly brilliant than the one you show.

Esteban

ydesyatnik · 08-04-2003, 01:32 AM

I am new to this hobby, but I understand that there are a lot of REALLY GOOD reproductions out there. This badge looks so genuine, it's a shame that it's a reproduction. Oh well, This is a way to learn I guess. Are there images of genuine OKDVA badges on this forum?

Thanks,

Yuri

charlet · 08-04-2003, 06:42 AM

waiting for specialists opinion, here's mine: some details aren't crisp (the hand of the rifleman for ex), the enamels work: two different colours, the one on the flag look like a restoration, the star make me think to a visor cap star! but don't forget it is only a pic (a good one indeed).
Wait for better analysis!

***Art*** · 08-04-2003, 11:00 AM

Guys,

I would have to agree that it's a fake. As Charlet says, the detail is far to sloppy. Also take a look at the detail in the train track. Let's hear some more opinions either for or against authenticity.

Art

HuliganRS · 08-04-2003, 02:05 PM

I won't make judgement on the piece but wanted to add a different view to this thread:

Since this badge was not produced at the mint, chances are there are at least a dozen variations... Since it was made at several factories and the striking pressure and other factors vary greatly from one to another!

Just my thoughts...

Rusty.

charlet · 08-04-2003, 05:42 PM

Rusty you're right, let's see more pieces to compare and determine some version of fabrication. But I still don't like the star's style...
see Durov 's book p72, the details are very crisp, the star has flat edges.

ydesyatnik · 08-04-2003, 11:02 PM

Here is the image of this badge without the retaining washer.

Yuri

otlichnik · 08-05-2003, 02:49 AM

The screw-post is a concern. It apears to have a flat base attached to the screw-post itself. I think that this ia a modern phenomenon only. Does anyone know of original Soviet era badges with this type of screw-post?

Also, the spots on the back where the pins should come through look odd - like solder. Is it two-pieces or just one piece trying to look like two pieces.

Shawn

ydesyatnik · 08-05-2003, 01:13 PM

It is two piece.

Yuri

08-03-2003, 08:37 PM	#2
Esteban_cool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Age: 36 Posts: 1,103	Yurasha: I´d say is a fake. I have seen other ones and the enamel is not so red. It was also more dark and slightly brilliant than the one you show. Esteban __________________ There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight The Who, Won't get fooled again

08-04-2003, 11:00 AM	#5
*Art* Forum Founder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buffalo NY Age: 58 Posts: 1,646	Guys, I would have to agree that it's a fake. As Charlet says, the detail is far to sloppy. Also take a look at the detail in the train track. Let's hear some more opinions either for or against authenticity. Art __________________ Visit the main site to the forum: The Soviet Military Awards Page Want to sell awards on the forum? Please read the FAQ Important Links: Forum announcements and rules \| Image posting FAQ

08-04-2003, 02:05 PM	#6
HuliganRS Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Illinois - U.S.A. Age: 46 Posts: 1,023	I won't make judgement on the piece but wanted to add a different view to this thread: Since this badge was not produced at the mint, chances are there are at least a dozen variations... Since it was made at several factories and the striking pressure and other factors vary greatly from one to another! Just my thoughts... Rusty. __________________ "Be civil to all, sociable to many, familiar with few, friend to one, enemy to none." Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Member #193

08-04-2003, 05:42 PM	#7
charlet Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 791	Rusty you're right, let's see more pieces to compare and determine some version of fabrication. But I still don't like the star's style... see Durov 's book p72, the details are very crisp, the star has flat edges. __________________ Sebastien "a spectre haunts Europe, the spectre of communism" (a well-known german bearbed)

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08-04-2003, 01:32 AM	#3
ydesyatnik New Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1	I am new to this hobby, but I understand that there are a lot of REALLY GOOD reproductions out there. This badge looks so genuine, it's a shame that it's a reproduction. Oh well, This is a way to learn I guess. Are there images of genuine OKDVA badges on this forum? Thanks, Yuri

08-05-2003, 02:49 AM	#9
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	The screw-post is a concern. It apears to have a flat base attached to the screw-post itself. I think that this ia a modern phenomenon only. Does anyone know of original Soviet era badges with this type of screw-post? Also, the spots on the back where the pins should come through look odd - like solder. Is it two-pieces or just one piece trying to look like two pieces. Shawn

08-05-2003, 01:13 PM	#10
ydesyatnik New Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1	It is two piece. Yuri

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