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03-24-2013, 09:46 AM
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Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class
Hi, How about this one? Can anybody give me some help please?
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03-24-2013, 12:35 PM
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Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class
Iltt,
Can you please post a large picture of the front and the back of the gold piece. From the ones you posted, there seems to be some bubbling which could possibly indicate casting. Marc |
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03-25-2013, 06:16 AM
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Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class
Hi, Marc
These are the larger picture. This OPW weighs 28.44g without screw plate, lighter than the average.What do you think about it? iltt Last edited by iltt; 03-25-2013 at 06:31 AM. |
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03-25-2013, 08:10 AM
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Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class
Iltt,
I am not sure here. The gold star is markedly lighter that it should be (~14.3 g), and there are many bubble-like pimples both on the front and back of it. Can you do as large a large scan of the mintmark only as possible? Marc |
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03-25-2013, 08:43 AM
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Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class
Hi, Marc
Thank you for your help. This is the mintmark scan. iltt |
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03-25-2013, 02:45 PM
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Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class
Iltt,
Thank you for the new image, although of limited use. I tend to believe that the gold star is actually a good quality cast copy. I am afraid that a definite diagnosis can be made only by holding the piece in hand. Marc |
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03-26-2013, 09:34 AM
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Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class
Marc,
Thank you for your help!:thumbsup This OPW 1st measures 45mm tall, 43mm wide, smaller than average. I have no idea. I'm afraid I must turn to golden identification for help:( Iltt |
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03-26-2013, 11:08 AM
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Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class
Iltt,
I am afraid that with the last bit of information you provided, you just confirmed my doubts: a cast piece. When a cast is made, upon cooling the metal shrinks slightly, resulting in copies that are smaller than the original. Marc |
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03-27-2013, 04:57 AM
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Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class
Hello.
How about this GPW I Class ? Best regards.
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03-27-2013, 05:27 AM
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Re: Fake Orders of the Patriotic War 1st Class
Ruiz,
It looks good to me from what can be seen, although larger picture wouldn't hurt ;) Marc |
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