Budionnovka - opinons please - Page 2

Alfred · 03-14-2009, 04:33 PM

Hello,

what do you think about this cap. Looks brand new.

best regards and thanks
Andreas

Alfred · 03-14-2009, 04:34 PM

and a few more pictures.

EricFG · 03-14-2009, 04:54 PM

Man, what a great lid. If I lived anywheres where there was a winter I'd have a hat like that! :)

Sorry I can't help with authentication Andreas buy yes, it does look really new. And I see *many* copies sold on eBay (as copies). I do know they have the cloth star on the front. I can't remember if they have the old style hammer and plow star on there as well.

DougD · 03-14-2009, 05:48 PM

Hello Andreas,

I'd like to see it in person, but if it were offered to me based on these photos I would pass.

Not that it is a repro, but the material and style look much more like a WWII era bud to me, made (or modified) to look like RCW era. I would not be comfortable with the glassy cap badge either, though perhaps this is just from the camera flash. These buds varied quite a bit for the 1918-1924 era, so I think you just have to go with your vibe on these; opinions on buds from this era vary greatly. What some are comfortable with, others are not, etc.

DougD

Ser-g · 03-15-2009, 08:10 AM

i personally have problem with the buttons.
i have never seen cloth covered buttons, certainly no blue.

maybe this is just a lack in what i have seen and not.

Lapa · 03-15-2009, 05:09 PM

Andreas,

I do not like it at all. IMHO, recent manufacture.

Marc

Ser-g · 03-15-2009, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lapa

Andreas,

I do not like it at all. IMHO, recent manufacture.

Marc

Lapa, i think it is of interest to the forum and this thread that you specify why you think it is recent manufacture.

me myself would be very interested to learn.

kind regard serge

ekclete · 03-30-2009, 02:32 PM

Marc I would also like to know why you think it is recent manufacture. Does this come from you friend who is turning out fake Soviet cloth? You mentioned you have seen the fakes this guy is making and is this one of those items being made.

Without getting this into one's hands it is kind of hard to tell. I dont see anything really wrong with it but I am not a bud expert but have handled a few of them at various shows. Thanks Clete

Jeffrey Meffert · 03-30-2009, 04:04 PM

I'm with Doug. I think it is a late 30's/early 40's bud that someone has messed with to make it look more civil war-ish. Cloth covered buttons are actually standard for the 1919-1922 era but the ones I have from that time look quite different than these. It also appears the background star and button "loops" are of the same thin material which is NOT standard (button loops on mine are usually leather). I question the cap badge also. Even on the inside photo, it looks like the prongs are bright and shiny in cap whose lining shows some sweat staining. If the badge had been there for the sweating, it would be tarnished.

Commissar · 04-11-2009, 10:25 AM

Hmm, I dont know if it looks bad, but Im not sure I would go and buy it if I had the chance.
Although, I havent yet gotten myself a bud, only a mini sized one from Ukraine haha.
Im skeptical, despite my lack of knowledge, I just cant place my finger on what I am skeptical of on this one...

03-14-2009, 04:54 PM	#13
EricFG Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Naples, Florida, USA Age: 59 Posts: 1,496	Re: Budionnovka - opinons please Man, what a great lid. If I lived anywheres where there was a winter I'd have a hat like that! :) Sorry I can't help with authentication Andreas buy yes, it does look really new. And I see many copies sold on eBay (as copies). I do know they have the cloth star on the front. I can't remember if they have the old style hammer and plow star on there as well. __________________ "patina imparts character" - PJS A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'

03-14-2009, 05:48 PM	#14
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	Re: Budionnovka - opinons please Hello Andreas, I'd like to see it in person, but if it were offered to me based on these photos I would pass. Not that it is a repro, but the material and style look much more like a WWII era bud to me, made (or modified) to look like RCW era. I would not be comfortable with the glassy cap badge either, though perhaps this is just from the camera flash. These buds varied quite a bit for the 1918-1924 era, so I think you just have to go with your vibe on these; opinions on buds from this era vary greatly. What some are comfortable with, others are not, etc. DougD

03-15-2009, 08:10 AM	#15
Ser-g Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Haarlem The Netherlands Age: 38 Posts: 374	Re: Budionnovka - opinons please i personally have problem with the buttons. i have never seen cloth covered buttons, certainly no blue. maybe this is just a lack in what i have seen and not.

03-15-2009, 05:09 PM	#16
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Budionnovka - opinons please Andreas, I do not like it at all. IMHO, recent manufacture. Marc

03-30-2009, 02:32 PM	#18
ekclete Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West St Paul, MN USA Age: 60 Posts: 236	Re: Budionnovka - opinons please Marc I would also like to know why you think it is recent manufacture. Does this come from you friend who is turning out fake Soviet cloth? You mentioned you have seen the fakes this guy is making and is this one of those items being made. Without getting this into one's hands it is kind of hard to tell. I dont see anything really wrong with it but I am not a bud expert but have handled a few of them at various shows. Thanks Clete __________________ Thanks, Clete

03-30-2009, 04:04 PM	#19
Jeffrey Meffert Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA Age: 68 Posts: 640	Re: Budionnovka - opinons please I'm with Doug. I think it is a late 30's/early 40's bud that someone has messed with to make it look more civil war-ish. Cloth covered buttons are actually standard for the 1919-1922 era but the ones I have from that time look quite different than these. It also appears the background star and button "loops" are of the same thin material which is NOT standard (button loops on mine are usually leather). I question the cap badge also. Even on the inside photo, it looks like the prongs are bright and shiny in cap whose lining shows some sweat staining. If the badge had been there for the sweating, it would be tarnished. Last edited by Jeffrey Meffert; 03-30-2009 at 04:43 PM. Reason: badge comment

04-11-2009, 10:25 AM	#20
Commissar Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 424	Re: Budionnovka - opinons please Hmm, I dont know if it looks bad, but Im not sure I would go and buy it if I had the chance. Although, I havent yet gotten myself a bud, only a mini sized one from Ukraine haha. Im skeptical, despite my lack of knowledge, I just cant place my finger on what I am skeptical of on this one...

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