Fake or Not???

vikingraider1 · 04-21-2003, 05:19 PM

I have my suspicions about this one. The insgnia and shoulder boards look like they are reproduction and the collar liner is definately not orignial...this is the description.

This is an original pre-war, Russian M-1936 combat uniform. It is a small size and while the uniform has some stains and is somewhat faded, it is authentic and very difficult to obtain. Included with the uniform is an original metal water bottle and enlisted leather belt plus boots. The boots have probably been resoled but are original as well. I obtained these from a college in Estonia a few years ago.

Any thoughts?

vikingraider1 · 04-21-2003, 05:20 PM

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vikingraider1 · 04-21-2003, 05:22 PM

close up...

DougD · 04-21-2003, 06:56 PM

...judge just by the jpeg. Its an nco, and those usually show real wear. But it could be fine too. Will need close up examination.

DougD

otlichnik · 04-22-2003, 02:30 AM

Hard to tell from image. Keep in ind that all the parts - tunic, colla tabs, rifles/target insignia and triangular pip are all for sale as repros for re-eneactors.

Shawn

vikingraider1 · 04-22-2003, 09:51 AM

That is my point. from the photo the uniform looks too new looking. Look at the shine on the leather of the boots...after nearly 70 years????

The insignia is available as you say for reenactors and it is turning up more and more, especially on Ebay.

Kim · 04-22-2003, 02:08 PM

The boots look exactly like a pair I have. They are nice but not WW2 vintage at all.

Other then that I agree, more close ups are needed to say for sure. But M35 uniforms makes me look three times before I buy... Lots of good fakes out there. The rifle/target are more often fakes than real, or at least those I have seen.

/Kim

otlichnik · 04-23-2003, 08:25 AM

Now just to play devil's advocate, some sellers sell a set which has an original item "upgraded" with some non-period stuff. Say a M43 tunic with later breeches and belt.

In the end looks like a hands on is needed for the tunic. If the colours are truely as shown that is a mighty odd fading pattern. Did the guy run around for years wth his shir tucked in the front of his pants like Uncle Fester?? Or is it a bad attempt a fake ageing??

Shawn

Kim · 04-23-2003, 12:31 PM

Shawn, it's never a bad thing to start thinking it's fake and let the uniform "prove" you wrong....or perhaps I just see fakes under every stone :D

This type of lost colour on only the top half could perhaps be made by leting it hang on a line in the sun and forget to "burn" the other side. Sounds pretty stupid when I read this back, but I know a guy who "ages" his newly made budenovkas this way....

/Kim

Nota Bene · 04-23-2003, 06:26 PM

Guys,

Don't you find it strange that the buttons are so patinated, yet the collar insignia looks brand new? Just being my usual sceptic, I guess...

Alexei

04-21-2003, 05:19 PM	#1
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	Fake or Not??? I have my suspicions about this one. The insgnia and shoulder boards look like they are reproduction and the collar liner is definately not orignial...this is the description. This is an original pre-war, Russian M-1936 combat uniform. It is a small size and while the uniform has some stains and is somewhat faded, it is authentic and very difficult to obtain. Included with the uniform is an original metal water bottle and enlisted leather belt plus boots. The boots have probably been resoled but are original as well. I obtained these from a college in Estonia a few years ago. Any thoughts? __________________ "We can truly say that the whole circuit of the earth is girdled with the graves of our dead... and, in the course of my pilgrimage, I have many times asked myself whether there can be more potent advocates of peace upon earth through the years to come, than this massed multitude of silent witnesses to the desolation of war." King George V, Flanders, 1922

04-21-2003, 06:56 PM	#4
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 50 Posts: 2,060	Difficult to... ...judge just by the jpeg. Its an nco, and those usually show real wear. But it could be fine too. Will need close up examination. DougD

04-22-2003, 09:51 AM	#6
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	That is my point. from the photo the uniform looks too new looking. Look at the shine on the leather of the boots...after nearly 70 years???? The insignia is available as you say for reenactors and it is turning up more and more, especially on Ebay. __________________ "We can truly say that the whole circuit of the earth is girdled with the graves of our dead... and, in the course of my pilgrimage, I have many times asked myself whether there can be more potent advocates of peace upon earth through the years to come, than this massed multitude of silent witnesses to the desolation of war." King George V, Flanders, 1922

04-22-2003, 02:08 PM	#7
Kim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 227	The boots look exactly like a pair I have. They are nice but not WW2 vintage at all. Other then that I agree, more close ups are needed to say for sure. But M35 uniforms makes me look three times before I buy... Lots of good fakes out there. The rifle/target are more often fakes than real, or at least those I have seen. /Kim __________________ medaljblogg.wordpress.com Blog in Swedish

04-23-2003, 12:31 PM	#9
Kim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 227	Shawn, it's never a bad thing to start thinking it's fake and let the uniform "prove" you wrong....or perhaps I just see fakes under every stone :D This type of lost colour on only the top half could perhaps be made by leting it hang on a line in the sun and forget to "burn" the other side. Sounds pretty stupid when I read this back, but I know a guy who "ages" his newly made budenovkas this way.... /Kim __________________ medaljblogg.wordpress.com Blog in Swedish

04-22-2003, 02:30 AM	#5
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	Hard to tell from image. Keep in ind that all the parts - tunic, colla tabs, rifles/target insignia and triangular pip are all for sale as repros for re-eneactors. Shawn

04-23-2003, 08:25 AM	#8
otlichnik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Age: 56 Posts: 547	Now just to play devil's advocate, some sellers sell a set which has an original item "upgraded" with some non-period stuff. Say a M43 tunic with later breeches and belt. In the end looks like a hands on is needed for the tunic. If the colours are truely as shown that is a mighty odd fading pattern. Did the guy run around for years wth his shir tucked in the front of his pants like Uncle Fester?? Or is it a bad attempt a fake ageing?? Shawn

04-23-2003, 06:26 PM	#10
Nota Bene Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York USA Posts: 2,296	Guys, Don't you find it strange that the buttons are so patinated, yet the collar insignia looks brand new? Just being my usual sceptic, I guess... Alexei

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