Question For Collectors.

[Henry Sakaida]

I've heard that the Ukrainian Government last year passed a new law which outlaws Communist symbols and even praise for the old Soviet Union. Does this mean that an old veteran can't wear his Order of Lenin or other Soviet medals? I am wondering if this is why we are starting to see Soviet orders and medals coming out of Ukraine. Perhaps the Ukrainians there have contempt for the Russians due to the problems in Donbass, and want to get rid of grandpa's medals, and at the same time, get some money because their economy is in a mess.

And secondly, I noticed that while HSUs are a hot item, not many collectors seem interested in the Hero of Soviet Labor medals and Order of Glory I unless it is a cavalier set. Am I mistaken about this or do you feel the same way?

Thanks!

[desantnik]

Henry, yes - the Ukrainian law is driven as a reaction to the Russian invasions.

HSLs have never been as popular as HSU or other military decorations.

[Bill Garvy]

If I may contribute to this discussion, gentlemen, there are no singularities. Socioeconomic conditions in both Ukraine and Russia are fueling market conditions and availability of heretofore unobtainable items. Sources in Ukraine obtain many of the items being marketed and sold from sources in Russia. The market for civilian labor orders and medals is indeed a niche market. HSU's are as over-valued as HSL's are undervalued, at least from my perspective.

[slava1stclass]

Originally Posted by Henry Sakaida

And secondly, I noticed that while HSUs are a hot item, not many collectors seem interested in the Hero of Soviet Labor medals and Order of Glory I unless it is a cavalier set. Am I mistaken about this or do you feel the same way?

Thanks!

Henry,

I view it differently. Order of Glory First Class awards remain very desirable - whether linked to a complete Full Cavalier set or not. As an example, in the western market single OGIs generally command higher asking prices than the HSU Gold Star Medal (GSM). This can be explained by their relative rarity (when compared to HSU GSMs) and their trademark (and exclusive) tactical-level combat nature.

That said, a complete Full Cavalier set will always command a premium over a loose OGI; even more so if accompanied by the Ordenskaya Knizhka or Kaverlerskaya Knizhka.

Regards,

slava1stclass

[Pobeda45]

Originally Posted by Henry Sakaida

I've heard that the Ukrainian Government last year passed a new law which outlaws Communist symbols and even praise for the old Soviet Union. Does this mean that an old veteran can't wear his Order of Lenin or other Soviet medals?

The law actually makes exceptions for veterans, historians, and collectors. But yes, I do think this is related to why families and some collectors are selling items with the hammer and sickle on them. That, and of course the last crop of veterans are dying out.