General uniform - Page 2

vikingraider1 · 09-06-2003, 05:11 AM

Hello Charlet,
Itis difficult to say without photographs but there are for and against arguments for this second tunic being original. Certain general officers would have tailor made uniforms which may have varied slightly with the lining colour. I have two genral officers service uniforms and their linings differ in shade - one is an almost identical match to the cloth and the other is a slightly greener shade.
The fact that it comes from the Ukraine is a minus as far as originality goes. You know there are repors being manufactured there at the moment. Also you say it is unissued. That is another minus (although it does not automatically make it a repro) it does makeit suspect.
I would be sceptical of uniforms that have not been issued, especially officers and general officers as there are just too many fakes out there.

charlet · 09-06-2003, 07:00 AM

thanks for your quick answer. Well, the 2nd tunic looks like brand new (no wear into the cuff, no patina on gold thread of embroidery). But the quality manufacture is identical (attachment of the buttons, lining, attachment of shoulder boards), symetric, the embroidery is not that flashy yellow gold of the 90' pieces (I don't speak of the yellow lemon, greyish, like sterling, of bad copies). The lappel embrodery: the leaves are very close one to others, so the small gold jettons are slightly visible between the leaves, but all is symetrical, and I saw late 80' detail photos of such a embrodery variation.
Oh, I'm writting at home this time and checked the shop's tag:
it is voeintorg nr 476, the symbol is like a big "M", it is in fact "IYT".

so few ageing can easily make me think it could be unisued tunic. It could be a very few worn piece. Now this is a piece I took 2 years ago, and to the day of today, my experience push me to wait a looong time in order to find only pieces with some reasonnables traces of wear. I avoid almost systematiccally brand new pieces.

thanks again for yours infos!

vikingraider1 · 09-07-2003, 04:32 PM

The embrodiery you describe does sound more convincing than some of the embroidery I have seen which in some cases is laughable. If you can get photos then that would be a great help.

09-06-2003, 05:11 AM	#11
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	Hello Charlet, Itis difficult to say without photographs but there are for and against arguments for this second tunic being original. Certain general officers would have tailor made uniforms which may have varied slightly with the lining colour. I have two genral officers service uniforms and their linings differ in shade - one is an almost identical match to the cloth and the other is a slightly greener shade. The fact that it comes from the Ukraine is a minus as far as originality goes. You know there are repors being manufactured there at the moment. Also you say it is unissued. That is another minus (although it does not automatically make it a repro) it does makeit suspect. I would be sceptical of uniforms that have not been issued, especially officers and general officers as there are just too many fakes out there. __________________ "We can truly say that the whole circuit of the earth is girdled with the graves of our dead... and, in the course of my pilgrimage, I have many times asked myself whether there can be more potent advocates of peace upon earth through the years to come, than this massed multitude of silent witnesses to the desolation of war." King George V, Flanders, 1922

09-06-2003, 07:00 AM	#12
charlet Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 791	thanks for your quick answer. Well, the 2nd tunic looks like brand new (no wear into the cuff, no patina on gold thread of embroidery). But the quality manufacture is identical (attachment of the buttons, lining, attachment of shoulder boards), symetric, the embroidery is not that flashy yellow gold of the 90' pieces (I don't speak of the yellow lemon, greyish, like sterling, of bad copies). The lappel embrodery: the leaves are very close one to others, so the small gold jettons are slightly visible between the leaves, but all is symetrical, and I saw late 80' detail photos of such a embrodery variation. Oh, I'm writting at home this time and checked the shop's tag: it is voeintorg nr 476, the symbol is like a big "M", it is in fact "IYT". so few ageing can easily make me think it could be unisued tunic. It could be a very few worn piece. Now this is a piece I took 2 years ago, and to the day of today, my experience push me to wait a looong time in order to find only pieces with some reasonnables traces of wear. I avoid almost systematiccally brand new pieces. thanks again for yours infos! __________________ Sebastien "a spectre haunts Europe, the spectre of communism" (a well-known german bearbed)

09-07-2003, 04:32 PM	#13
vikingraider1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, Home of West Ham United Age: 54 Posts: 328	The embrodiery you describe does sound more convincing than some of the embroidery I have seen which in some cases is laughable. If you can get photos then that would be a great help. __________________ "We can truly say that the whole circuit of the earth is girdled with the graves of our dead... and, in the course of my pilgrimage, I have many times asked myself whether there can be more potent advocates of peace upon earth through the years to come, than this massed multitude of silent witnesses to the desolation of war." King George V, Flanders, 1922

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