Cavalry Visor

Bill Garvy · 02-02-2009, 02:31 PM

From the 1920's, for the 67th Cavalry Regiment of the 11th
Cavalry Division. . .

Bill Garvy · 02-02-2009, 02:33 PM

More. . .

Bill Garvy · 02-02-2009, 02:35 PM

More. . .

Comments welcome. . .

Lapa · 02-02-2009, 03:16 PM

Looks like St Pertersburgian production to me...

Marc

DougD · 02-02-2009, 04:11 PM

Hi Marc,

Can you please point out why? The cap looks quite good to me. Please post one that you feel is good so we can see the differences in your mind between a 'real' one and a "St.Petersburgian".

DougD

DougD · 02-02-2009, 05:13 PM

Marc,

Here is another one posted in our forum, from another seller, that also looks good to me...please point out what is wrong with these (in your eyes)? I have only had in about 20-25 in the past 12 years or so, mostly from three well known collector / authors in Russia. They, along with myself, really must have missed some glaring issues that tell you that these are "St.Petersburgian". I am sure you have been able to examine many many real examples and so can post them here and show us how you came to your conclusions. Thanks! DougD

http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...html#post50785

DougD · 02-02-2009, 05:36 PM

Here are a few more early cavalry caps from the past 10-12 years. They seem to compare favorably with the cap int he first photo. DougD

Dzerzhinsky · 02-02-2009, 05:51 PM

:thumbsup I have handled and collected the 1927 Soviet cavalry visors and these all look great to me. The cloth and sweatbands on all of them appear consistent and old. One thing collectors need to understand about these caps is that many were only worn for a limited period of time and many were probably kept by the families or sent to museums not long after the 1929 regulations established the standard olive/dark blue/black piping examples. This explains why many of them, aside from staining, are in pretty nice shape. Likewise, I believe one of these hats was in my collection some time ago. Needless to say, nice hats!

DougD · 02-02-2009, 06:32 PM

If anyone has the chart that shows the colors of the early cavalry caps, can they post it here? I'll "sticky" it. I used to have it, but think I lent my issue of Zueghuas out to a friend so he could color copy the chart...and never got it back!

DougD

Jeffrey Meffert · 02-02-2009, 07:39 PM

It may be the shadowing on the photos. At first I thought the hat band looked like the cheesey band you will see on copy M43's and M55's but there were several other features I've only seen in genuine caps that have gone through my hands. One is the cloth gizmo that protects the prongs of the star on the inside and the other is the visor itself which is identical to several caps I am quite comfortable with.
"Soviet Military Uniforms and insignia 1918-1958" (the "red book") lists the bewildering combinations of cover, band, and piping for the M27 line on pages 106-109. According to them, this cap, as described in original post, is 11th Cav Div (blue top, yellow piping), 67th regiment (red band)
PS: Actually the green cap Mr. Drabik posted above (1st cav div/1st cav regiment) is one of mine although I purchased that one from another source. The yellow (3rd cav div, 14th cav regiment) is spectacular. Thanks for posting them.

02-02-2009, 03:16 PM	#4
Lapa Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St Petersburg, Russia Age: 63 Posts: 2,397	Re: Cavalry Visor Looks like St Pertersburgian production to me... Marc

02-02-2009, 04:11 PM	#5
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 51 Posts: 2,060	Re: Cavalry Visor Hi Marc, Can you please point out why? The cap looks quite good to me. Please post one that you feel is good so we can see the differences in your mind between a 'real' one and a "St.Petersburgian". DougD Last edited by DougD; 02-02-2009 at 04:24 PM.

02-02-2009, 05:13 PM	#6
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 51 Posts: 2,060	Re: Cavalry Visor Marc, Here is another one posted in our forum, from another seller, that also looks good to me...please point out what is wrong with these (in your eyes)? I have only had in about 20-25 in the past 12 years or so, mostly from three well known collector / authors in Russia. They, along with myself, really must have missed some glaring issues that tell you that these are "St.Petersburgian". I am sure you have been able to examine many many real examples and so can post them here and show us how you came to your conclusions. Thanks! DougD http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...html#post50785

02-02-2009, 05:51 PM	#8
Dzerzhinsky Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Land of Lincoln Posts: 44	Re: Cavalry Visor :thumbsup I have handled and collected the 1927 Soviet cavalry visors and these all look great to me. The cloth and sweatbands on all of them appear consistent and old. One thing collectors need to understand about these caps is that many were only worn for a limited period of time and many were probably kept by the families or sent to museums not long after the 1929 regulations established the standard olive/dark blue/black piping examples. This explains why many of them, aside from staining, are in pretty nice shape. Likewise, I believe one of these hats was in my collection some time ago. Needless to say, nice hats! __________________ "The ideal Chekist is a man with a warm heart, cool head and clean hands." "We stand for organised terror . . . Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution . . . The Cheka is obliged to defend the revolution and conquer the enemy even if its sword does by chance sometimes fall on the heads of the innocent." Felix Dzerzhinsky

02-02-2009, 06:32 PM	#9
DougD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Age: 51 Posts: 2,060	Re: Cavalry Visor If anyone has the chart that shows the colors of the early cavalry caps, can they post it here? I'll "sticky" it. I used to have it, but think I lent my issue of Zueghuas out to a friend so he could color copy the chart...and never got it back! DougD

02-02-2009, 07:39 PM	#10
Jeffrey Meffert Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA Age: 68 Posts: 640	Re: Cavalry Visor It may be the shadowing on the photos. At first I thought the hat band looked like the cheesey band you will see on copy M43's and M55's but there were several other features I've only seen in genuine caps that have gone through my hands. One is the cloth gizmo that protects the prongs of the star on the inside and the other is the visor itself which is identical to several caps I am quite comfortable with. "Soviet Military Uniforms and insignia 1918-1958" (the "red book") lists the bewildering combinations of cover, band, and piping for the M27 line on pages 106-109. According to them, this cap, as described in original post, is 11th Cav Div (blue top, yellow piping), 67th regiment (red band) PS: Actually the green cap Mr. Drabik posted above (1st cav div/1st cav regiment) is one of mine although I purchased that one from another source. The yellow (3rd cav div, 14th cav regiment) is spectacular. Thanks for posting them. Last edited by Jeffrey Meffert; 02-02-2009 at 07:45 PM. Reason: confirm unit

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