Alexander Nevsky + Lenin + DOC is it fake ??

[ponmarcn]

Hi !
somebody is offering these orders with docs
he is near by my home so i am trying to get the best pictures i can

somebody will help with an evaluation ? are they real or not ??
sorry i am not very well experienced.

some pictures attached on this thread, some on next one

thanks
for help

Marco

[ponmarcn]

here are other pics

[sovvisor]

the order of Lenin is definatly a fake. Can´t tell nevski from pics.
best

[Art]

Can you guys elaborate on what makes you say that please?

[sovvisor]

first off all the screwpost should not be goldcolored. the rivets are too big and probobly fake rivets. The monetny dwor mintmark looks like a sand cast. the front is very poor in details if compared to a real lenin. It also looks sandcasted.
best

[ponmarcn]

can you please post some pictures of same period lenin order to see the differences ??
thanks for help

marco

[Art]

Marco,

Go into the Order of Lenin thread in the Orders section..many many pics of authentic lenins there. Also try this:

http://www.soviet-awards.com/orders2.htm#order2

Art

[Lapa]

Art and others,

Sorry to ask, but I believe that I posted an answer to this thread a couple of days ago; anybody knows where it went?

Marco,

Your Order of Lenin looks cast to me, as Sovvisor pointed out: bad S/N, mintmark, general lack of details, etc.
I do not like the Nevsky order. The suspension is definitely fake, and details are off on the order.
The entries in the book are bad. They are written in ballpen, which was not used at that time; also, the handwriting is modern looking, and does not look like that of the period.

Marc

[ponmarcn]

ok i can see the differences of the lenin quite well
thanks to everybody

I am learning so i ask why do you think that Nevsky is a fake too
what is off ?? i cannnot understand lloking at other pictures of ral orders
somebody can tell me where exactly to look ??

thanks

Marco

[Art]

Marc,

I deleted your original message. While the thumbs up or thumbs down regarding authenticity was appreciated, It would be great if in the future more explanation of the reasons why it is believed to be a fake are posted.

BTW, this was posted in the main forum of the "Fake Alert" hierarchy:

http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/showt...php?t=3335

Thanks,

Art

Art and others,

Sorry to ask, but I believe that I posted an answer to this thread a couple of days ago; anybody knows where it went?

Marco,

Your Order of Lenin looks cast to me, as Sovvisor pointed out: bad S/N, mintmark, general lack of details, etc.
I do not like the Nevsky order. The suspension is definitely fake, and details are off on the order.
The entries in the book are bad. They are written in ballpen, which was not used at that time; also, the handwriting is modern looking, and does not look like that of the period.

Marc