Fake Badge "Participant In The Hasan Battle 1938" Document.
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Fake Badge "Participant In The Hasan Battle 1938" Document.
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Can someone identify this document please. Is it for lake Hasan?
Aleksey Smorodin?? Thanks Brendan
"If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there."
Marshall Geogi Zhukov to General Eisenhower, 1945
Here are another 2 documents to the same person. NKVD??
Brendan
"If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there."
Marshall Geogi Zhukov to General Eisenhower, 1945 
Brendan,
It was issued to Smorodin, Aleksei Denisovich on31/12/1939. The other 2 IDs are indeed NKVD I believe that all 3 documents are fakes :thumbsdown In this case, the 2 NKVD IDs are basically brand spanking new. These IDs were used on a daily basis by the holder, to enter his workplace, prove his entitlements, etc. As such, originals are always worn; fakers try to add "fake wear", but they have not found (yet!) the right formula to give the appearance of years of daily use. Now, if you have a look at the various threads in which some of these were shown, you'll notice similarities: printing characteristics, fonts used, handwriting, color of ink (there is a difference between originally faded ink, and modern ink that was diluted to appear old), etc. Here is a genuine Hasan document for comparison purposes. Overall, I have handled a grand total of 4 genuine ones; they are rare as hen's teeth. Play "Spot the differences" :D Marc
08-06-2008, 08:51 PM
I have to say Marc that handling the Hasan Doc and looking at the example of yours I cannot see anything that sticks out as being 'fake'. The wear is the same, type face, ink appears faded as with time etc. I also have 6 pics of the awardee that concur with his booklet pic.
Your thoughts on the other two documents?? Brendan
"If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there."
Marshall Geogi Zhukov to General Eisenhower, 1945
08-06-2008, 09:48 PM
Brndan,
I already gave you my thoughts on all 3 documents: :thumbsdown RE the Hasan one, pay close attention to the typeface in the word Udostaverenie for starters; look at the underprint, etc. Marc
08-06-2008, 10:01 PM
Marc
I notice subtle differences and being a printer by trade I can attribute those differences to the printing process and the stages that each document was printed. I am not saying that is not a fake, but some others may want to chime in. The jury is still out;) Brendan
"If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there."
Marshall Geogi Zhukov to General Eisenhower, 1945
08-06-2008, 10:20 PM
ANZAC Wrote:...I am not saying that is not a fake, but some others may want to chime in. The jury is still out;) Brendan, Absolutely! I simply gave you my opinion. Marc 
08-06-2008, 11:28 PM
Lapa Wrote:Brendan, I completely agree. BTW, the ink stamp with the funny snowflake in stead of a star on the Hasan document, can also be found on many other fake IDs. Alexei
08-07-2008, 02:28 AM
Thanks to all for the comments and conclusions.:cry:
Lets see if the seller refunds before I publicly out him as a possible fiend:mad: Ahhh well back to sticking with what I know best, my beloved Glories;) Brendan;)
"If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there."
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