Glory.

[desantnik]

I don't understand the purpose of your question. If you are trying to collect the varieties and types, it doesn't make much sense to collect them if you can't see them, i.e. they are worn down. Are you asking to determine authenticity? If so, then you just have to see some real ones to know what you're looking, compare pieces to photos in references, or buy from trusted dealers until you get confidence.

[Lapa]

Anzac,

You need to have a look at some references that detail the different types, variations, subvariations, etc. The best one by far is http://mondvor.narod.ru, but it is in russian (direct link to the Order of Glory 3rd Class page).

Marc

[ANZAC]

Marc

a great site and great pics of the award. I wish I could read Russian but it still helps me with identifying the variations. I notice the main variation is the clock face but I see there are also other subtle ones as well.

Brendan:cheers

[Lapa]

Mate,

As I told someone else not so long ago: speaking Russian sort of helps in our line of business ;)

Marc

[MONDVOR]

Actually, you don't have to speak Russian to use Mondvor web site. For each variation there are known serial number ranges indicated. Digits are similar in both English and Russian :)
Concerning "serial number" vs. "time of issue" I would say that in general all Glories 3rd class with a numbers higher than 400.000 were issued after May 9, 1945.
I haven't heard about Korean Glories. As far as I know there were no Soviet privates or sergeants in Korea, officers only.
But I know for sure (I have citations) that Glories were issued for Russian-Chinese incident on Damansky peninsula.
Glories "for spilled blood" were given in 1960-70 only in case if severly wounded soldier didn't get any other numbered award during the war.

[ANZAC]

Thanks for all the great info guys!
Mondvor, is there a definitive number band or series that is post 1945? You have suggested that anything over 400s is post 1945? So, numbers prior to 400,000 are WW2 issued? Am I correct in assuming that and I'm on the right track?

I guess it more than obvious that I have decided to specialise my collection on Orders of Glory even though my says it's not pretty enough!;)

ANZAC

[Dave]

Mondvor, is there a definitive number band or series that is post 1945? You have suggested that anything over 400s is post 1945? So, numbers prior to 400,000 are WW2 issued? Am I correct in assuming that and I'm on the right track?

Unfortunately, Glory numberings aren't an exact science. As Andrew says, 400,000 is a good rule of thumb, but there quite a few up into 500,000 series that were also awarded in 1945. Here's part of a list that I made that's on another forum, but since most of the data is mine, here's part of it that displays the numbers found around 1945.

I'd also highly suggest getting a copy of "Echoes of War" which concentrates on this sort of thing (and has lots more info about dates and award numbers!)

Hope that helps!

Dave

[MONDVOR]

Dave, in my previous message I mentioned the approximate limit that was issued before May 9, 1945. I indicated that specific date, because ANZAC asked about war-time issued Glories. Of course in December 1945 higher numbers than 400.000 were already issued.
After coming back home I can check my files and make some additions to your list.
Dave, in your list there are few numbers that are really interesting. For example 448915 that was issued on July 1944. At that time this number was not even manufactured. Can you share your source of information with us? Same holds true for numbers 500651, 460135, 360549. It looks very strange to me that such high numbers were issued prior to May 1945. Just to make thing clear - we are talking about physical event of the receiving this award by cavalier, not the date of decree (Prikaz).

[slava1stclass]

...although at least one of our forum members claims to have a Glory for Korean actions.

To all:

More accurately, I have evidence to confirm the award of the Order of Glory Second Class to a Soviet soldier for combat-related action against the Americans during the Korean War. I have never claimed to personally own said Order of Glory.

Regards,

slava1stclass

[Dave]

Andrew:

I look forward to seeing what you have in your files!!! :thumbsup Thanks for looking for me!

As far as the numbers, those are Prikaz dates. And yes, some of those could have been issued after the date of the Prikaz. However, the actual issue date is (as you are aware) impossible to know for most of these awards (sadly). So, all that we've got is the Prikaz/Ukaz dates for a general guideline. You're absolutely right that it would have been hard to award a medal that hadn't yet been manufactured to someone. :D I just wish I knew of some better way to compile dates - but there just isn't.

Dave

Dave, in my previous message I mentioned the approximate limit that was issued before May 9, 1945. I indicated that specific date, because ANZAC asked about war-time issued Glories. Of course in December 1945 higher numbers than 400.000 were already issued.
After coming back home I can check my files and make some additions to your list.
Dave, in your list there are few numbers that are really interesting. For example 448915 that was issued on July 1944. At that time this number was not even manufactured. Can you share your source of information with us? Same holds true for numbers 500651, 460135, 360549. It looks very strange to me that such high numbers were issued prior to May 1945. Just to make thing clear - we are talking about physical event of the receiving this award by cavalier, not the date of decree (Prikaz).

To all:

More accurately, I have evidence to confirm the award of the Order of Glory Second Class to a Soviet soldier for combat-related action against the Americans during the Korean War. I have never claimed to personally own said Order of Glory.

Regards,

slava1stclass

By any chance do you have the date and number of the Ukaz that awarded that Glory? If so, I'd be willing to pay for a copy of the Ukaz so we could find out the actual extent of awards given at the same time.

Dave