meyerse Wrote:This one is clearly post war, but any idea on era? I suspect the screw post is a replacement? It has a funny orange sheen to it, I think it is dirty in some way. It seems to be brass or a brass alloy, similar in heft to my wartime ones, but flatter with less curvature. Again, what era do you think?
According to AVERS 8 this design was introduced in 1950. From my experience the early (ca. 1950-1960ish) badges tend to be of equal quality to the 1942-1950 badges. I reckon you've got yourself a nice early badge. The manufacturer's mark is an early Pobeda Factory Moscow trademark, which seems to support my opinion. Whether the badge is vaulted or flat is strictly at the discretion of the manufacturer. It is indeed a nice badge.
Happy Collecing,:thumbsup
Jim
Komandir RKKA Wrote:Got these wartime badges in amazing condition (never worn)
All are the same type but have two type screw plates: big by Moscow "Artel Photo" and small numbered(!) Monetni Dvor plates.
VERY NICE!! You are indeed fortunate to have made such a 'find'. WELL DONE! Any chance of you posting a nice, clear, close-up photo of the markings on the nuts? Are there any manufacturer's marks on these badges?
meyerse Wrote:This one is clearly post war, but any idea on era? I suspect the screw post is a replacement? It has a funny orange sheen to it, I think it is dirty in some way. It seems to be brass or a brass alloy, similar in heft to my wartime ones, but flatter with less curvature. Again, what era do you think?
Pobeda Factory Moscow trademark 60 / 70 years
Komandir RKKA Wrote:Numbered plates was put on by makers, I spent a lot of time to open them.
Probably issued for different badges but used for Guardia.
Hello ,
probably screwplate badge of Osoaviakhim
Nice badges:thumbsup
BAGRATION Wrote:Hello ,
probably screwplate badge of Osoaviakhim
Nice badges:thumbsup
Agree.
centaur32 Wrote:VERY NICE!! You are indeed fortunate to have made such a 'find'. WELL DONE! Any chance of you posting a nice, clear, close-up photo of the markings on the nuts? Are there any manufacturer's marks on these badges?
Happy Collecting,:thumbsup
Jim
As all wartime badges doesn't have a maker mark on badge itself but nuts have. I'm sure that badge manufacturer is different to screw plates maker.
Small plates were standart made by State Monetny Dvor, but big plates - by private Artel Photo from Moscow (you can see Artel's name on screw plate)
BAGRATION Wrote:Pobeda Factory Moscow trademark 60 / 70 years
The manufacturers' trademarks shown below are from a list of "Soviet Russian Metal Order, Decoration, Medal, and Badge Manufacturers and Mints Trademarks". Numbers 1 & 2 are, of couse, the earlier and later trademarks of the Moscow Mint respectively. Numbers 3, 4, and 5 are for the Pobeda Factory Moscow, "Earlier Version", "Later Version", and "Latest Version", respectively. If One were to speculate as to the meaning of "Earlier", "Later", and "Latest" in this context these terms could, perhaps, mean; "Earlier"= 1942-1960, "Later"= 1960-1980, and "Latest"= 1980-1991.
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Komandir RKKA Wrote:As all wartime badges doesn't have a maker mark on badge itself but nuts have. I'm sure that badge manufacturer is different to screw plates maker.
Small plates were standart made by State Monetny Dvor, but big plates - by private Artel Photo from Moscow (you can see Artel's name on screw plate)
Thanks for the close-up of this nut. How about a similar photo of the other nut? Thanks.
centaur32 Wrote:According to AVERS 8 this design was introduced in 1950. From my experience the early (ca. 1950-1960ish) badges tend to be of equal quality to the 1942-1950 badges. I reckon you've got yourself a nice early badge. The manufacturer's mark is an early Pobeda Factory Moscow trademark, which seems to support my opinion. Whether the badge is vaulted or flat is strictly at the discretion of the manufacturer. It is indeed a nice badge.
Happy Collecing,:thumbsup
Jim
is the screw post original or a replacement?
Also, it looks like it might have a thin layer of shelack on it that has yellowed? It has a slight orange tint to it, any ideas?
centaur32 Wrote:The manufacturers' trademarks shown below are from a list of "Soviet Russian Metal Order, Decoration, Medal, and Badge Manufacturers and Mints Trademarks". Numbers 1 & 2 are, of couse, the earlier and later trademarks of the Moscow Mint respectively. Numbers 3, 4, and 5 are for the Pobeda Factory Moscow, "Earlier Version", "Later Version", and "Latest Version", respectively. If One were to speculate as to the meaning of "Earlier", "Later", and "Latest" in this context these terms could, perhaps, mean; "Earlier"= 1942-1960, "Later"= 1960-1980, and "Latest"= 1980-1991.
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Jim,
the document that you show is from a book on the badges of Komsomol.
During the war the factory Pobeda badges are marked only on the "Gaika.
This mark is for the 60/70, the Pobeda manufactured a series
includes the dates 67 / 68 / 69 as below .
BAGRATION Wrote:Jim,
the document that you show is from a book on the badges of Komsomol.
During the war the factory Pobeda badges are marked only on the "Gaika.
This mark is for the 60/70, the Pobeda manufactured a series
includes the dates 67 / 68 / 69 as below .
Regards
Dom
So is the screw a replacement on the one I posted? The screw has a smaller diameter than the wartime badges I have for sure.
