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Sierra Charriba · 11-07-2006, 08:32 PM

Hello
Anybody knows if this leather visor cap was used before and during WWII? And which was the army branch that used it?

Nack · 11-07-2006, 08:41 PM

Reportedly used by the NKVD. I'd imagine that this one is a fake--looks brand new and the cap badge does too.

DougD · 11-07-2006, 08:45 PM

Welcome to the forum.

The leather caps were used from 1917-late 1930's or so; they were not really a regulation item and although there might be isolted cases of use in WWII, the vast majority were in the 1920's and 1930's.

The one you have posted pics of is a modern copy out of Ukraine. They show up alot on the internet auctions.

Best,
DougD
Moderator- Cloth

Sierra Charriba · 11-08-2006, 07:26 AM

Thanks
Of course, is a replica made in Ukraine. I purchased it for reenacting purposes, not as a piece of collection. And really, this cap give an interesting look to user...

Dzerzhinsky · 11-08-2006, 07:43 PM

The word "fake" is used too much for my tastes. I would define it more as replica and leave it at that.

Nack · 11-08-2006, 09:46 PM

Dzerzhinsky Wrote:The word "fake" is used too much for my tastes. I would define it more as replica and leave it at that.

Ok, well, good point. I guess it depends on the context. If the hat is advertised as a ww2 item, then its "fake." If it is sold as a copy, then i agree its a reproduction. Perhaps its just semantics.

Dzerzhinsky · (This post was last modified: 11-30-2006, 04:29 AM by Dzerzhinsky.)

Nack, I could not agree with you more. I guess I jumped the gun a bit due to the fact I have seen so many of these visors over the years and I could not imagine someone actually trying to sell a hat like this one as WWII. I have a 1967 Soviet made visor made for the 50th Aniversary of the Revolution and it looks better than this one. Yet, you could never sell my 1967 example as a WWII piece or original. I also have 2 leather pieces from 1919-1920 and they really look nothing like these replicas offered on Ebay periodically. After you handle a genuine leather visor, you can always know the difference. Sorry if I talked too much.

Nack · 11-09-2006, 02:35 PM

Dzerzhinsky Wrote:Nack, I could not agree with you more. I guess I jumped the gun a bit due to the fact I have seen so many of these visors over the years and I could not imagine someone actually trying to sell a hat like this one as WWII. I have a 1967 Soviet maid visor made for the 50th Aniversary of the Revolution and it looks better than this one. Yet, you could never sell my 1967 example as a WWII piece or original. I also have 2 leather pieces from 1919-1920 and they really look nothing like these replicas offered on Ebay periodically. After you handle a genuine leather visor, you can always know the difference. Sorry if I talked too much.

All good points. Unfortunately, there are quite a few unscrupulous sellers trying to pass off repro stuff as original, and people who haven’t actually seen a real item get taken all the time. Particularly when you are talking about a seldom-encountered item.