Medal "For The Defence Of Odessa".

[h009291]

Got this one in the mail today from a certain Moderator :D Just love it :)

[Alfred]

Ruiz and I started to identify all the different variants of the Odessa medal.

This is what we have till now. So did other members of the foum observe different variants of the Odessa medal. Different design etc...

Odessa medal:

1. Variant - separate soldered ring
1a. sickle handle longer (with dot)
1b. sickle handle shorter (without dot)

2. Variant - ring as part of the medal (round ring inside)

3. Variant - ring as part of the medal (V-shaped incision ring inside)

best regards
Andreas

[Alfred]

I have heared that in 1993 the mint produced a voenkomat variations of the Odessa medal without gilding? On the same dies as the original medal. Is the story true?

best regards and thanks
Andreas

[ph3s]

On the same dies as the original medal. Is the story true?

Not sure about same dies, but there is the Defence of Odessa mint in 1993, no gilding

[Alfred]

:thumbsup Thanks

[ph3s]

Alfred I think this info will be interesting for your research.
If someone with good English could translate it please.

Это опубликовано Павлом Демченко на его сайте еще в 2001 году.

Дословно:

Открыты страницы описывающие медаль "За оборону Киева". Это последняя из учреждённых медалей, которыми награждались непосредственно за действия периода Великой Отечественной Войны. Медаль не имеет разновидностей. Образцы медалей называемые "с ошибкой на реверсе" никоим образом нельзя считать коллекционным материалом по двум причинам. Первая - копии медалей "За оборону Севастополя", "За оборону Одессы", "За оборону Советского Заполярья", "За оборону Киева" и "За освобождение Белграда" были изготовлены в 1993г. после распада СССР по специальному заказу торговцев советскими наградами, "подпольным" способом на Московском монетном дворе. При том, ошибки на реверсах медалей "За оборону Киева" и "За освобождение Белграда" были сделаны случайно, из-за незнания сотрудников монетного двора. Медали штамповались настоящими, "родными" штампами, теми же, что и образцы "военкоматовских". Поэтому отличаются (помимо ошибок на реверсе у медалей "За оборону Киева" и "За освобождение Белграда") полным отсутствием, каких либо следов оксидирования, и неаяным соединительным кольцом. Кроме того, эти медали не могут иметь каких либо следов ношения естественного происхождения. Они никогда и никому не вручались. Это вторая причина, по которой эти медали не могут относиться к подлинным советским наградам. Только как копии.

К сожалению, первым ошибку допустил Николай Мерлай, в своей книге "Медали СССР", после его поддержал Пол Макдэниел. По этой причине многие, в особенности начинающие, коллекционеры введены в заблуждение и образцы "с ошибкой на реверсе" продаются по "сумасшедшим" ценам. Хотя сами являются просто бракованными копиями.

А выпущенные медали 1993 года имеют несколько отличий - незапаяное соединительное кольцо, отсутствие золочения на медали, незолоченая колодка. На военкоматовских медалях 80-ых годов эти все признаки присутствуют.

It's been published by Pavel Demchenko it says that all 1993 medals were produced in MMD non officially. By same dies for voenkomat(latest) versions of medals Sevastoplol. Odessa.Transpolar.Kiev and Belgrade. The main difference is no gilding

I don't know how true it is, but I know what was going on in 90s

[Alfred]

Thanks,

I have read this via google translator too and that was the reason I asked here.

thanks
Andreas
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Open page describing the medal "For Defense of Kiev. This is the last of the established medals that were awarded specifically for the actions of the Great Patriotic War. The medal has varieties. Samples medals called "an error on the reverse" in no way be considered a collector's material for two reasons. The first - a copy of the medal "For Defense of Sevastopol", "For the Defence of Odessa", "For the defense of the Soviet Arctic," "For the defense of Kiev" and "For the liberation of Belgrade" were made in 1993. after the collapse of the USSR on special order traders Soviet awards, "clandestine" manner at the Moscow Mint. While the errors on the reverse of the medal "For defense of Kiev" and "For the liberation of Belgrade" were made by accident, because of ignorance of the staff of the mint. Users punch in these "native" cliches, the same as the samples "voenkomatovskih. Therefore, different (in addition to errors on the reverse of a medal "For Defense of Kiev" and "For the liberation of Belgrade") complete absence, any traces of oxidation, and neayanym connecting ring. In addition, these medals may not have any traces of wearing natural origin. They have never and never were given. This is the second reason that these medals can not relate to the original Soviet awards. Only a copy.

Unfortunately, the first mistake that Nicholas Merlan, in his book "The medals of the USSR", after it endorsed Paul McDaniel. For this reason, many, especially beginners, collectors have been misled and samples with an error on the reverse, "sold at" crazy "prices. Although themselves are simply defective copies.

A coin issued in 1993 have a few differences - nezapayanoe connecting ring, the lack of gilding on the medal nezolochenaya block. At voenkomatovskih medals 80-s all these symptoms are present.

[ph3s]

nezapayanoe- not soldered
nezolochenaya block - not gilded suspensions

[travel-north]

The faces in the pictures are from Odessa medals posted on one Russian forum. They were said to be genuine. If you compare the faces, you can clearly see the differences. Do you agree that both types of faces are official stamps?

[EricFG]

I don't know but there could've been more than one die, or striking. That might account for the differences?

Did a little photoshop fiddling; there are some slight differences. So slight I'd I'm not sure what to make of them. I'm no Odessa expert but I'd think the ring and the lettering would be the key in identifying the good from the bad.
I'm sure Marc, Paul or Alexei can set us straight.