Photographs Of Recipients Of Soviet Awards/Service Personnel.
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Photographs Of Recipients Of Soviet Awards/Service Personnel.
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10-13-2003, 05:16 AM
Yes spacers is a possibily.
The cloth would allow more contact and conform to the reverse of the order, preventing it from rotating out of position. Alanirvine
10-13-2003, 06:31 PM
As many of you know, Marshal Konev had the reputation of being very talented, but with a gigantic ego. Like Stalin, he often appeared with no decorations on his uniform, apparently expecting that everyone would surely recognize him and fill in the blank spaces mentally. Tsar Nicholas II also did the same, but was probably safely more recognizable by everyone. It's a kind of false modesty. And, as someone noted elsewhere, being a very senior officer, he could darn well wear whatever he wanted to. Like Patton or Goering.
Those are great photos. Dr. Bob Clawson
10-14-2003, 01:54 PM
Actually, the explanation could be much simplier - they're not wearing their awards, because this is happening close enough to enemy lines, and it was customary for top commanders NOT to wear anything that would allow german snipers, for instance, to distinguish their real rank and "value". Zhukov was wearing a private's long coat, when coming for pre-offensive recon. on a front lines.
Alex. 
10-14-2003, 03:15 PM
thats true but the ed harris look alike doesnt seem to mind!!!
would a airfield be that close to front line in or around 1943?
"Right ok so apart from the roads,education,sanition, medicine,the wine,the aquaducts, irragation, the public baths,a fresh water system and public order, what have the romans ever done for us?"........
reg from life of brian. 
10-14-2003, 03:48 PM
The answer is simple: sometimes general and marshals did not wear orders and medals on their service / field uniforms. Often they did, but often they did not. Remember, Konev, or any marshal, would have had a few M1943 service uniforms and to transfer the orders and medals to each would have been a pain (thus ribbons, though they were not widley used until after the war). Its not complicated, but pretty simple. I often have had Marshals / Generals M1943 uniforms come in without order holes, or perhaps just one small one for an HSU, etc.
DougD
10-14-2003, 05:21 PM
About airfields close to front lines. Yes, both armies moved right in to those recently vacated fields as soon as possible. Many German and Soviet fighter bombers had very limited range. So an operational field might be very close to the front lines indeed.
But marshals would not have been visiting within rifle shot of the enemy to award guards status to an air regiment. Dr. Bob
10-28-2003, 12:03 AM
Can anybody identify the dark coloured uniform being worn by the general on the left of the picture. It is NOT the olive coloured M1954 Service Uniform as I have deliberately included a portion of one of these uniforms being worn by the general walking beside the general in question. I would also say thatit is not an Aeroflot uniform as these were markedly different. A bit of a baffler I think....anyone?
[Originally posted by ibaya:
I remember reading a history of the NVA (National People's Army), and it mentioned that the East Germans introduced Soviet-style uniforms for their militias and border guards. Because of negative reaction from the public, they abandoned it for uniforms more reminiscent of the Wehrmacht.] I just finished a book written by Alexander Bogomolov (born 1922), the German-language interpreter who translated most of the high-level meetings between Soviets and Germans after April 1951, the time of his arrival in Berlin. He mentions a presentation of new DDR army uniforms organized by DDR Interior Minister Willi Stoph in 1951 for the Chief of the Soviet Occupation Forces Army General (later Marshal) Tchuikov. The uniforms were designed in Soviet style. Tchuikov said: "You are a German army, not a Russian army," and the field gray of the Wehrmacht was reborn.
Dietrich
10-28-2003, 05:28 AM
These Soviet-style uniforms must have been in use for at least a while ... a book about the Berlin Wall I was reading back in college had a photo of confiscated border guard uniforms from East German defectors, complete with the collar patches and buttons, and quite a few of them!
10-28-2003, 01:46 PM
From what I can tell its a M1954 field tunic / uniform; darker wool than the regular service and with dark subdued insignia. I don't think it lasted long, replaced by the high closed collar version. I have seen a coupke for sale, not a good looking uniform,
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