Researching Red Army/Navy Units

[otlichnik]

Eddie,

I suspect "same units" applies only to the January 44 listing. Not the earlier bits.

I am curious about where you get all this. Is there one source for what you listed? If so it looks interesting. I have all of the info but scattered around.

To do that I would pull a quick and dirty OB from Poirer and Conner (sic) Red Army OB book, commanders from another Russian book and a detailed breakdown from the official CD-ROM OB. It is a pain that there is no handy all-in one sorce for Corps and Armies like the Sharp lists for Divisions.

Shawn

[Taz]

Hi Shawn,

I think you are right about the January 44 listing.

Shawn, if you mean the info on the 62nd/8th Guards Army (RKKA) Order of Battle it's all listed on this site.
Maybe that will interest you.
http://groups.msn.com/wwiirkkacentral/62...attle.msnw

Eddie.

[Taz]

Dave,
Great pics!,
It's rewarding to see just who it was that recived the awards.

Here is a bit more on Latvian Units for you.

The Soviet 27th Army Under Colonel-General Nikolai Berzarin
Had Latvian and Estonian Units serving with it.


103rd Anti-aircraft

111th Anti-aircraft

613th Artillery

614th Artillery

3rd Rifle Brigade
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16/156

16/167

16/249

67th Rifle Division
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180th (Estonian) Rifle Division

181st (Latvian) Rifle Division

182nd (Estonian) Rifle Division

183rd (Latvian) Rifle Division
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Baltic Special Military District

The Soviet 27th Army, Sobennikov's 8th Army and Morosov's 11th Army made up the Baltic Special Military District led by Kuznetsov.
They faced Army Group North led by von Leeb on June 22nd 1941 at the start of "Operation Barbarossa"

Eddie.

[Taz]

Guys,
This thread has been created as a special request from Art.
I will find this one very hard because I am a non-Russian speaker
If anybody has pictures or info regarding this topic please help out on this one.
There must be loads of Unit stamps on your docs at home maybe you could post them.

http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13

Here is part of the request to explain what is required
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I'd like to see an article which explains unit history of the stamps on documents. Perhaps it can help provide another method of detecting fraudulent documents..ie., if a unit never existed it wouldn't have a document stamp.
I know this has been attempted before, but if it could be re-done and in more depth with perhaps more attention given to the history of the unit behind the stamp ( when they were formed, famous Soviet people who may have fought in them, famous battles, etc ) I think it would be great.

TIA Eddie.

[Taz]

I think a good start would be to have a nice clear Pic of a Unit stamp and then for one of our Russian speakers to explain exactly what info the stamp has and where.

Here is one from a related thread in the paper items section ( these threads can be joined later).

[Taz]

Colonel M.S. Batrakov (wounded Sept. 23th 1942)

Eddie.

[Chuck In Oregon]

This is a very good idea. There is a lot to be learned in this area and I know that I need the info that the forum can provide.

Chuck

[otlichnik]

Hmmm.

Eddie, I am not sure what you are wanting to do.

I don't think there is any pint in collecting all unit stamps. There should be in excess of 20,000 of them.

There are other channels for checking to see if a given unit existed at a certain time and place too. The same is true for wording of unit names.

One question that would be interesting though is are there different types of stamps, ink, etc that indicate different dates.

Shawn

[Taz]

Hi Shawn,

Maybe Art can explain in a little bit more detail exactly what is required.
You mentioned in your post different shades of ink for different time spans. That seems to be an ideal start. Maybe a few Stamps with the various colours.
I posted a unit Stamp earlier do you think you could translate it explaining where and what is what?
I could then edit the answer into my post.

TIA Eddie.

[Al-muell]

I think a good start would be to have a nice clear Pic of a Unit stamp and then for one of our Russian speakers to explain exactly what info the stamp has and where.

Here is one from a related thread in the paper items section ( these threads can be joined later).

Isn't it "HQ of 9th air army" (ok, "shtab" isn't exactly HQ, but what's the english word for this?)?