walk-out general tunic

[charlet]

good morning gentlemen;
I need please some lighting about a general grey walk-out mundir. There're not any date on buttons nor in the vest. It looks like a M1969 one, very few wear, shoulder boards like new, silver bullion with a little wear. The buttons: brass , in two parts, no date but one (1975) with the classic "mosschtamp". The shoulderboards have one silver star.
I don't know if it is really M69 but wonder about earlier model... I got it at the beginning of my collection (my first general) from a former friend. I don't really think it is fake, but...help me care my paranoïa!

thanks, sebastien

ps: the visor cap is a post-91 one, ukranian style, nothing to do with

[DougD]

...its not fake, but it looks like it might be unissued modern ( i.e. 1980's). Do you have a full shot of it?

DougD

[charlet]

thanks Doug. I don't have a full size shot, but the jacket it is identical to the M1969 (embroidey, piping, etc). I didn't really noticed this detail at the time, it now interpeals me, i.e. the stars in silver embrodery. It is pre-M1969 regs, isn't it? after 1969 stars became all gold with piping I think?

[vikingraider1]

Chalet,
If there is no cuff embroidery then it is a pre-1969 tunic but judging by the condition it looks like a more modern version.

[charlet]

yes! I forgotten this point: there's cuff embroidery! (identic to M1969 except for the silver stars). So I'm losing my latin...(as we say here)

[DougD]

..are the key indicator of the change in 1969. I don't think the change is star color came about until 1974 or so.

DD

[charlet]

so a model between 1969 and 1974...but new reg upon shoulders boards came in may-june 1969 (p.232, voienaia odejda voorejenikh sil cccp i rossia 1917-1990ies, ed redkaia kniga)
argh....

[DougD]

You have to remember, that the Soviets overproduced everything in huge numbers after the war. So the regs might say new boards in 1969, but the old stocks of pre-1969 boards might not be used up for 5 years. Reality took quite some time to catch up to the regulations.

DD

[charlet]

thanks Doug, this is an interesting detail for this jacket!

[Nack]

Does the silver vs. gold star dating rule-of-thumb apply to non-general uniforms?

For example, if a captain's M69 service uniform had silver stars (as opposed to gold stars) on the shoulderboards, can it be said that it probably dates to around 1969 to 1974, give or take a couple of years?