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Old 08-16-2006, 01:24 AM   #1
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Khmelnitsky-Nevsky-Bravery group

Here are pictures of the order book, and start off with the Nevsky and S/N ...
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Old 08-16-2006, 01:26 AM   #2
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Here's the Khmelnitsky 3rd Class

Obverse, and reverse w/closeup of S/N
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Old 08-16-2006, 01:27 AM   #3
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Medal for Bravery

Same as above
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Old 08-16-2006, 01:28 AM   #4
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Forgot to mention an OGPW2

This also came with the group. Enamel is missing from the 2-3 o'clock arm
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Old 08-16-2006, 01:40 AM   #5
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So what are my issues with this group ... ?

  1. The order book's page is faded where the names of the orders and medals are listed. The serial numbers are probably unaltered, but the faded portions may have been bleached, then re-stamped with new entries.
  2. The serial number engraving styles on the Nevsky and Khmelnitsky. The Nevsky doesn't bother me as much as the Khmelnitsky, especially with the difference in the patina around the number.
  3. The screwpost on the Medal for Bravery's suspension isn't as worn as the others, but is the earliest decoration awarded in the group -- replacement suspension?

Any comments would be appreciated.
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Old 08-16-2006, 04:18 AM   #6
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Ibaya,

Can you please post a scan of the back of the page on which the orders are listed.

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Old 08-16-2006, 10:45 PM   #7
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Here's the other side of the page
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Old 08-16-2006, 11:00 PM   #8
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Very nice group. It was for sale on ******'s web site in December 2001. The orderbook is discolorated, but I think it's because of some natural reasons. So far from those scans I don't see any problems. You can make a research and check the award card to be absolutely sure in this group.
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Does this water damage go though all the pages?

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