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Fake Order And Medal Booklets
Kiwi,

This is correct, but this is definitely not original handwriting. I believe that the order booklet was somehow cleaned, and that this rare type of entry was written in; it almost looks like they used felt-tip.

Marc
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for such documents, the handwritting is superb and perfectly clean; and all booklets given in 1945 have serial numbers without the letters. A B-xxxxxxx series is for 1947 year instead.
Sebastien
"a spectre haunts Europe, the spectre of communism"
(a well-known german bearbed)
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Guys,

If anybody has his Shishov-Muzalevsky available (I just sold mine not long ago), could you please check who received the Order of Kutuzov 1st class SN672.

As far as I know, the only enterprise to receive an OK1 was the Lenin Tractor Factory in Chelyabinsk.

Marc
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Now I'm starting to understand....this award was given to a group, not an individual. Here I was wondering how some guy won a Kutuzov1 and no other awards. :)
But if that's the case why is the photo removed? Don't tell me they'd issue the booklet with a photo of the front of the factory in it??? I'd have expected the usual 'photo not required' stamp in it.
I need to learn more...;)
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A wise man said: 'you should not pay a premium for what you want beyond your comfort level, and always ensure there is a mutually agreeable return policy.'
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i dont think there was a photo removed even though there is some damage to the inside of the front cover, so thats why I am trying to get peoples thoughts on the document, as if it was genuine it certianly would make it unsual and rare, so if anyone can help clarify if the document is ok or not would be great, as I have approached the previous owner and he is happy to take the document back if I want to return it

cheers

kiwi
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Kiwi,

We have already given you our opinion (at least Sebastien and I), that is :thumbsdown without the slightest hint of hesitation.

Marc
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EricFG Wrote:Now I'm starting to understand....this award was given to a group, not an individual. Here I was wondering how some guy won a Kutuzov1 and no other awards. :)
But if that's the case why is the photo removed? Don't tell me they'd issue the booklet with a photo of the front of the factory in it??? I'd have expected the usual 'photo not required' stamp in it.
I need to learn more...;)

this award was given to nobody... the booklet is doctored, the Kutuzov nr 672 has been given to another person, the handwritting is sloppy, the booklet serial number is normally for a 1947 booklet, there never has been any photo... pure good old fake.
Really sorry for that.
Sebastien
"a spectre haunts Europe, the spectre of communism"
(a well-known german bearbed)
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Lapa Wrote:If anybody has his Shishov-Muzalevsky available (I just sold mine not long ago), could you please check who received the Order of Kutuzov 1st class SN672.

As far as I know, the only enterprise to receive an OK1 was the Lenin Tractor Factory in Chelyabinsk.

Marc

This factory did receive the OK 1st, but Muzalevsky doesn't list the serial number. I do not believe for a second that this doc could be genuine.

Alexei
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Hello,

what do you think about this Ushakov medal book?
The book was made in 1966 (last page).


regards and thanks
Andreas


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Andreas,

Tough to tell. The only way to tell would be to order the UK.

Marc
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