Fake Orders of the Red Banner

[marsino]

Originally Posted by rocketscientist

Good to know. I might make an attempt to catch it.
And what about this one? I don't like it, therefore it has some chances of being good... :)

Thank you in advance

I do not think it's good, (Look carefully at the torch), but if it were, the price will go up, because the whole world is watching ... :D

[USSR]

Hi all,

Please your opinion about another mirror reverse RB.

Thanks in advance :thumbsup

[leaftree]

Looking for some peace of mind.

Looks to me like a Type 3, Option 3 awarded in late 1944.
Opinions?

Thank you,

I wasn't satisfied with the pics I posted earlier.
These should help.

[Alfred]

Originally Posted by USSR

Picture two...

I tend to like this piece.

best regards
Andreas

Originally Posted by leaftree

I wasn't satisfied with the pics I posted earlier.
These should help.

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Possible late 1944 or early 1945. Maybe Long Service?
But only research could tell.


155.077 06.06.1945 60. Army
157.589 07.08.1944 3. Guards Army
157.748 03.11.1944 Long Service
158.385 03.11.1944 Long Service


Typ 3 Variation 3. Straight Mint stamp. Made by KMD mint.
2 Series: min. 137.705 und max. 187.479; min. 286.814 and max. 333.283

best regards
Andreas

[USSR]

Anyone seen this type of engraving before? The order has got the proper weight and silver content...

Thanks!

[leaftree]

Looks to me as if the original numbers were ground off, and new numbers put on with a rotating tool.
- Area around numbers looks dull...different than the upper part.
- Do I see faint outline of a '1' and '6' under the rotary 1 and 6?

Regards,

[USSR]

Thanks Leaftree,

Why would that be done do you think? Is it a time period alteration or has it been done later on to match a missing award in a award book?

Thnx!

[leaftree]

My comment is only my opinion, I may be wrong. I would wait for others with more knowledge.
As for why, I doubt for a time period alteration, most likely to deceive for more money, matching an award book is a reasonable guess.

Regards,

[Alfred]

Originally Posted by USSR

Thanks Leaftree,

Why would that be done do you think? Is it a time period alteration or has it been done later on to match a missing award in a award book?

Thnx!

Serial number is engraved not in the style of a mint. Imho defenitely a bad one.

In general, there are a lot of reasons for this chanced serial numbers. Fitting to an award book, to get more money when selling. Short after the wall fall down, many persons who sold their awards removed serial numbers. Because they had the fear, that somebody can track the number and will punish them.
Now "bad persons" engrave new Serial numbers to sell them for higher prices.

Some Serial number chances were done by mint. Wrong number was engraved, renumbering a replacement Award for a lost one "duplicat". Some were renumbered when Leningrad mint moved to Krasnokamps during the war (expecially Newski in the 10.xxx rang and so on....)

But the whole piece looks strange. At the moment I do not have my reference pictures available.

best regards
Andreas

[USSR]

Thanks Andreas,

Would you say the medal itself is a copy or an original one with a altered serial number?